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Originally Posted by Thalion
Can someone explain how the Blue Istari are placed above Radagast?
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Good point. And welcome to the Downs.
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I think ENTS should be broken into ENTS and Treebeard.
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Done.
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Why does Balin deserve placing above Thorin, whom for awhile he was subserviant to?
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Though subservient to Thorin, my reading of TH and LotR show Balin as more noble of character.
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Originally Posted by Thalion
Tom Bombadil and Goldberry are very far apart on the list...again, what is the rationale?
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Tom is lord of his realm whereas Goldberry is a river-daughter and rises to become Tom's spouse; beautiful and pucent in her own realm, yes, but that realm is small (her home and its surroundings).
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Originally Posted by Thalion
Regarding the Ring and future placement of the Silmarils...I think one shouldn't place these on the list at all.
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I'm persuaded, and have changed my "guiding principle" accordingly.
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Originally Posted by Thalion
Beren is listed lower than Aragorn?
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No longer. Thanks for your excellent points,
Thalion.
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Originally Posted by Aiwendil
why is Beren lower Aragorn?
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noted.
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why is Arwen so high?
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By deduction from heredity. But I'll grant that she doesn't exhibit this; although Tolkien says that she is the image of Luthien. What does that count for?
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Originally Posted by Aiwendil
we ought also to distinguish the primordial Melkor from the pseudo-historical Morgoth
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Done.
Shelob is raised as recent arguments reflect.
I'm debating with myself whether there's really a difference between Olórin and Gandalf the White. I'm not sure there is.
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