[Nogrod]

”The case Caranlodien” – With Devil’s advocate view -light version (too tired to get intensive...)

Basically she seems to be one of the most careful and thoughtful members of the village – and her analysis seem to be very good indeed! As I do not know, what you others have thought, while you have posted, I can just rely on her analysis on me #163. She seemed to get the point I was stating easily (as some others have kind of twisted them, or not understood, what I have meant).

But then there is this curious aspect on her action too. She seems to be very eager to point out interesting (#131) or good (#133) points I have made, and then she makes this total mis-statement:

#152
Nogrod makes good points, but he also makes me uneasy. Are you suggesting that without well-founded suspicions to go on, we should lynch the quiet people? I can see some of the appeal. It's true, what you said, that quiet people get more and more dangerous as the game goes on. But that's also the sort of plan a bunch of loud orcs would want.

That reasoning is clearly flawed, and I wouldn’t think a person of her intelligence would do that (I guess at least Celuien - and partly Roa have pointed this also later).

The fun starts, when she analyses my posts (#163). The analysis is good – as I have said - but then she goes on to say, that she will keep an eye on me. Making an add-on to inform us, that my post done while she was analyzing my earlier posts “addressed her concerns”, and that she was less suspicious of me because of that.

In #173 She comes up with the idea, that me and Celuien are at odds concerning the quiet-ones – which clearly is not the case. Why did she make such a lie? Still, she continues, that I have made good points on my behalf.

Then comes the jackpot:

#184
I have to go soon, and must decide how to vote. It's difficult, because one can interpret a single action in so many ways - Nogrod seems reasonable, and not set in a single way of thinking. Or, perhaps he's eager to please, and doesn't want to ruffle anyone's feathers. My analysis of Roa didn't yield much, and I'm not ready to sacrifice someone who, if she is innocent, is surely an asset to the village.

Decisions... I'll go re-read a little and then cast my vote.

And it took whole ten minutes to vote for me... I must say, I’m astonished! She has been careful enought to announce my good points and arguments, and then she just votes for me, almost out of the blue! And even as I do agree with myself being not set to just one way of thinking, I just can't see, how you could interpret me as "eager to please"!

And she has been continuing the same way today also. In #276, she says:

However, I do believe that Sleepy is innocent. If an orcish Nogrod had lied about an orcish Sleepy, in a few days time we'd all be wondering why Sleepy wasn't dead yet. And once we knew one of them was an orc, we'd have a nice little trail to follow to the other. I don't think Nogrod would be so foolish.

But just then on #286, she goes:

Right now I'm feeling most suspicious of Nogrod and Kitanna. Typical loud wolf/quiet wolf there (with orcs instead of wolves, of course).

So playing thoughtfully, and not suspiciously. But then somehow managing to twist her vote / open suspicions at the right moments to go on just the other way, she has been talking all the time?

I don’t know, what to say about this. Has she blind spots? Is she deliberately trying to seem like a thoughtful villager, but under that cover, trying to influence the other villagers to lynch a loud-villager (if she is an orc, she knows, I’m innocent)? At least today, her timing would be excellent...

But as with Grendelien, I have to say, that I would hate her to be an orc. Would be a good asset to us, if “proven” innocent. So come and defend yourself – and all you others, have your say. I would like to hear good reasons for your actions and to come to believe your innocence! (This goes to Grendelien also – if I haven’t spelled that out already, clearly enough)