[Diamond18]

NOTICE: I wrote this without knowing who would die, so my responses to SpM will look odd. But I thought I’d leave them in there because they include some of my opinions on Wizards.

Oh, and poor SpM. My condolences to his family. Though I’m sure Morm is doing a little jig.


Since I was away for much of the peak discussion time (four pages, people!!!!) I have some belated comments and replies from yesterDay.

Originally Posted by Spawn

Now, phantom makes the situation sound pretty bright for us, but that's what the Evil Wizard would like to do; to make the Villagers believe that we don't have much to be scared of.

I don’t quite follow this logic. I didn’t find tp’s posts to be particularly EWish yesterDay, especially since he advocated revealing the Wizards. I think the EW is aiming for the most discretion. So I’m not sure why you would want to cast EW suspicions his way for doing pretty much the opposite of what I’d suspect the EW to be saying.

Originally Posted by SpM

Yet it is not village affairs that have guided the Evil Wizard’s hand, I am sure, but cold, hard logic.

Or not. You can’t know that for sure. The EW might make some wild moves to keep away from the scent of those looking for logic.

Originally Posted by Spm

Were I the Evil Wizard, I would have chosen from the following villagers:

Cailín, Lalaith, Caranlondien, Celuien, Valier, Kitanna, Azaelia or Naria, Oddwen, Alcarillo, Roa, Firefoot, Diamond and Gurthang.

I do think this is a sensible list. From a logical standpoint. But it might also be a good idea, if the EW manages to get a good sized pack of wolves, to throw some high profile players into the mix to use them, essentially, as meat puppets. Also, to prevent them from being Gifteds.

Originally Posted by Spm

Gurthang was, I think, the first to bring up the idea of looking for the Wizards. My initial reaction was to suspect him for it. I still do, slightly, since he was talking about finding both Wizards. I think we should, as far as we can, try to avoid identifying the Good Wizard, at this stage at least. With no Gifteds and two Wolves to hide among a great number of villagers, the Evil Wizard might fancy his/her chances at this point and call the Good Wizard out. Even if s/he does not, identifying the GW would still allow the EW to pick his/her time, provided s/he remains hidden. For this reason, I am also wary of Lhuna’s suggestion that the GW might want to declare today.

This, I find strange. As I said to Fea above, I think the EW will be advocating discretion, since keeping people away from looking for and talking about wizardly behavior. I find it unlikely that you would be made the Evil Wizard, however, since you are the most Evil person here to begin with. So I’m not sure what to make of this reluctance.

Originally Posted by Glirdan

And why, may I ask, are you attacking my siblings? What has my family ever done to yours to deserve this kind of treatment?

Ah, if I’m allowed a bit of frivolity on Day 2 -- it’s only natural, Glirdan, that our families should be at odds. We’re the two largest units, ergo there must be a fight for supremacy. Or at least, there would have been if everyone had not been so agreeable about my list and refuse to engage in family feuding. But now we’re kind of past the Day 1 fun of family voting blocks, so it doesn’t much matter anymore.

Originally Posted by Fea

I also agree with whomever it was that mentioned searching out the wizards. It gives us a legitimate project for day one. It will put them off guard. Sure, it would mean sacrificing the good wizard in all probability, but since the good wizard lives to die in such a way, I won't feel too badly about it. Consider: who would expect that an entire village would gang up on their wizards? Surely we would want to keep our good wizard around. Blah blah pros and cons blah blah. With the pressure of an entire village actively seeking, the evil wizard will have to be REALLY good to avoid screwing up.

Not much more to say except that I agree with this and am of basically the same mind. The GW lives to be martyred in order to cease the creation of Wolves. Nuff said.

Originally Posted by tp

Phantom=EW would lead to a resounding villager victory, I assure you.

I tend to agree with this, in the sense that tp is one of the ones more likely to be found out by the GW or Seer pretty quickly. Which is why I doubt that he would have been selected for this role. However, just so we’re not disregarding every possibility, we have to remember that in this village there are many players with equally or more prominent reputations than tp, so with all these illustrious veterans for wizard and seer to choose from, you can’t automatically assume that tp couldn’t get by.

Still, I think it unlikely that the Mod God would choose him to be the EW. However, I think it highly likely that he’d be chosen to be the GW. Make of that what you will.

Originally Posted by Fea

The evil wizard (okay... speaking plainly now...) volunteered for the job. The evil wizard, ergo, is somebody with a bit of time on his or her hands at the moment. The evil wizard is probably not going to be one of the students playing with finals coming up. The evil wizard is probably not going to be somebody that can't guarantee specific hours during the day in which to take care of wizarding business. The evil wizard (and the good, yes, the good) are going to be players with a bit of time to spare.

I’m not sure this is the best way to go about figuring out the Wizards. Really, everyone has a life to attend to. Maybe we can rule out those really strapped for time, but how many is that, anyway? Judging from the massive amount of posting, I’d say the number of people with time enough for wizarding is enough that paying too much attention to this criteria might not be as helpful as you think. Especially since no one really has the best handle on other people’s schedules.

Originally Posted by SpM

By deleting from my previous list those who I think the GW might pick as a choice of Gifted, I can narrow it down further, as follows:

Azaelia, Oddwen, Alcarillo, Roa, Diamond or Gurthang

So, you don’t think we’re good enough for the Good Wizard? Meh.

Originally Posted by Eomer

Celuien, Caranlondien, Roa, Nogrod, Alcarillo, Cailín, Oddwen, Jenny, Lalaith or Gurthang.

Others are more likely to be lynched early on, or dreamed about by a Seer, or scried by the GW.

Out of curiosity, since I’m not on your list, which of those three alternatives do I fall under? (Narcissist much, Diamond?)

Originally Posted by Loki

Breezed through the posts real quick, much suprised by everyone's reactions. Mostly that no one had considered that, in fact, I was telling the truth. No one had considered that my defensiveness is a matter of a far more personal nature, and I came into the game dead-set of simply playing to my personality. No one considered that I was operating solely on instinct.

Strange replying to a dead man, but since this applies somewhat to reasons I and others had for voting him (which will no doubt come under scrutiny toDay) I wanted to point out that this is completely false. People did consider it. I thought it quite possible that he was being truthful. I just said we shouldn’t rush to believe him automatically. So, as I said when I voted, that wasn’t even my main motivation for voting. My main reason was because, in lieu of any serious suspicions of anyone else, I felt most comfortable for voting off a person I felt endangered the focus and sanity of the village. No matter what his motivations were.

Originally Posted by Roa

So, assuming Loki's innocense, I look to those most eager to lynch him.

Well, I figured you’d say that. I’ve been kind of thinking that you’re the friend who invited him -- I found the unwillingness to share that info somewhat strange and overly mysterious and I have more to say on this later -- but anyway, I’ve said why I was eager to lynch him and it stands, for better or worse. His last post just reinforced my “good riddance” attitude. Innocent or not, in a situation where it was pretty likely an innocent would be lynched (with 26 innocents to 2 werewolves and 2 wizards, the chances of losing an innocent were extremely, ridiculously high) I was quite comfortable with losing him as opposed to anyone else. You won’t see me kicking myself over it.

Originally Posted by tp

Your picks are similar to mine. If I was the EW, I would've picked Diamond, Celuien, and Azaelia to be my wolves, and two of those three are on your short list.

Which confirms my thought that you are not, in fact, the Evil Wizard.

Originally Posted by tp

...because Roa is a Wizard, of course.

At the risk of sounding too eager to agree with tp all the time, I have to say I was thinking this, too. I figured, if Loki was picked by both Wizards the first Night like he said, one of the Wizards might be the friend who invited him to join our village -- because despite the possibilities expressed, I personally think him an odd choice for the Wizards, logically speaking. So, I feel that if he was indeed picked, it was not entirely logical on the part of one Wizard, hence friendship could be involved. That’s the only reason I could think of for concealing that matter. If this “friend” had aspirations to be a Wizard, they wouldn’t want people having a chance of making this connection. But since I was making the connection, I really wanted to figure out who that friend might be, and I decided on either Roa or Gurthang, the only two who seemed to feel the need to defend Loki’s behavior before and after the event of Elempi’s murder.

So anyway, that’s my crackpot theory.