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Old 06-29-2006, 09:16 AM   #402
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To my critics: I know, I have a bad habit of forgetting all about the game until around 7, and then using what other people say rather than coming up with my own ideas. Tis why morm always ends up suspecting me.

Still, I have some time on my hands right now, so I shall go about doing a couple of those analyses I said I'd do, starting with Glirdan.

Post 12 - drunk sailor style, throws occupation based suspicion my way.

Post 27 - complains about the rum being gone (love that line ) and then says and eye should be kept on Gurthang, again all in drunk style though, so unlikely to be serious.

Post 40 - votes for me. Seems to be a random early Day 1 vote.

Post 106 - says Eomer's death wasn't a surprise as the Wolves wouldn't have wanted him around for long, which is a fair point.

Post 132 - gives a voting tally, says we should not look at Nilp voters now but wait until we see how they vote again. Thinks it is more likely that wolves would have picked up on the Eomer bandwagon than the Nilp one. His reasoning for not looking at the Nilp voters was that they were more likely to have random reasons and while this is true, I don't see why the wolves could not have come up with random reasons as well. Before Rune's death I would have said that it would be a very bold wolf who votes Eomer in the Day and then kills him in the Night, but it seems we've already had one of those, which may make TGWBS a wolf as well if the same 'oh they'd never do that' reasoning was applied.

Post 135 - Analyses Tali finding some things to be suspicious of. Those points aren't of much use now as Tali has been revealed as innocent, but there is something strange in the way Glirdan picks up on the seeming inconsistency between Tali's not wanting to vote Eomer and then doing it. It is possible to change your mind in an hour or so, seeing new posts and developing new ideas. Glirdan didn't seem to take that into account. In this post he also suddenly backtracks on his earlier decision not to look at the Nilp voters after this was challenged by morm. Perhaps a little hypocritical after the suspicion he just put on Tali for a seemingly similar thing.

Post 136 - analyses Rune and decides there is nothing supicious other than him purposefully bandwaggoning. This could be Glirdan analysing Rune to make sure he's mentioned him, and making sure to find mention some suspicion to serve him well if Rune ever died. Has a suspect list of Tali followed by Rune, presumably because they're the only people he looked at. Defends his analyses against Gurthang.

Post 139 - analyses Lhuna, finding nothing suspicious other than her vote for Eomer, which being Lhuna was likely due to history. Mentions that all the Eomer voters had been very quiet and suggests that is kept in mind, though why I'm not sure. Seems to be an attempt at causing suspicion where there is none.

Post 140 - analyses TGWBS, again finding nothing other than a comment about wanting to live in harmony with the wolves, obviously an in-character comment. This though causes TGWBS to jump up his list above Rune, who he seemed to have more reason for suspicion over. Again possibly Glirdan trying to keep Rune as a suspect but make sure he wouldn't get lynched.

Post 143 - analyses Diamond, and was the first to suggest the first poster is often wolvish. Doesn't like that she went after Eomer, but I think that was biased by hindsight. Then finds her less suspicious, before finding the reasoning behind her vote for Eomer very suspicious. I then become a little confused, as his list had two TGWBS's on it, one supposedly meant to be Diamond. Either way, again Rune is bumped down the list. Again defends his analyses, this time against Caran, saying it used to be his usual way. Did anyone ever check on that?

Post 146 - bit of banter with Diamond, saying that even if it is not true that wolves post first, she is still suspicious. Fair enough as his suspicion of her does not rest solely on that point.

Post 148 - again banter, this time with Caran, saying he wants to be seen as equal with everyone else. Could be a wolf trying to ensure a good level of suspicion, or one trying to ingratiate himself with people he knows to be innocent.

Post 193 - agrees that it would be interesting to see whether the wolves post within the first 10 posts (as Glirdan himself often does) but says no one will do it. It is possible that he has a bad record with that as a wolf, and doesn't wish people to do it in case it brings suspicion upon him, but that is rather tenuous. Says his vote for me was purely random based on occupation, I think in answer to morm though I can't work that out. Confused by TGWBS's 'Glirdan = Not sense. Good' post, understandable I suppose though the meaning seemed obvious. Or maybe I'm just too used to TGWBS. Finds Holby worth looking at due to her vote for Nilp, you know, those people you weren't going to look at? Anyway, has some good points and at this time is unlikely I think to have suspected her as Seer if he is a wolf, so it could just be trying to support suspicion of a known (to him) innocent. Starts to pull Rune back up his suspect list, perhaps due to real suspicion, perhaps due to needing to be seen to be noticing him.

Post 196 - does a list of how many posts each person has done and separates them into groups and highlights Eomer and Nilp voters, drawwing suspicions from it. I'm not sure how this works, as the groups aren't evenly split, and those he chooses as suspicious seem odd. While there are 3 Eomer voters in the first list he only picks two of them, deliberately ignoring TGWBS (possible protection?), and from the middle group he picks more Nilp voters than Eomer voters, even though he has previously stated that the former shouldn't be looked at yet. Decides to vote for an Eomer voter because 3 Nilp voters have already been voted for, and picks Lhuna over Tali.

Post 222 - says Jenny's death was random, but then argues against that, saying the wolves may have thought her to be the Seer. Bit odd, he seems almost to be arguing against the idea that Jenny's death was random, except that no one had actually mentioned it. In fact they'd had no opportunity to as he was the second poster that Day after TGWBS, and all he said was 'Alack'.

Post 237 - says he wasn't surprised Sauce would start to be suspected, nor that it was Di doing the suspecting. Says that he himself has been suspicious of him, odd as there hasn't been a single mention so far, but thinks he should be left alive as he is a very useful innocent. It's strange reasoning since most of us know the trials of a wolvish Sauce, and he is more dangerous when evil than helpful when good. Some banter with Rune over past games, again possibly just keeping up appearances, seeming quite happy to drop part of his suspicions. Explains why he asked TGWBS to explain his statement.

Post 244 - annoyed at lack of talking. Thinks morm has been getting too bold and then begins to build a case against him, finding his 'gunning' for just three people suspicious, especially since he is so certain over his suspects. Then develops the theory that both Ang and morm could be wolves, doing some wolf on wolf voting (disproved now by morm's death). Says Rune (what happened to the suspicion over him?) and my points make him inclined to suspect TGWBS, mostly due to his quietness.

Post 264 - defends himself against Tali, saying he isn't trying to lead the village but simply give his opinions. Well fair enough, but he hasn't half talked a lot. Also says he wasn't the only one unsurprised by Eomer's death, again in answer to Tali. Also defends his analyses of Lhuna and Rune, saying he had decided to find Eomer voters suspicious, but found those two the least suspicious of the 5. Strange reasoning, if you don't find someone suspicious, don't put them on your list. Has some odd reasoning over Sauce still being alive, that the wolves should have killed him the Night before. Yet earlier he has said it is likely the wolves thought Jenny a Gifted, so why would they choose someone less likely? Uses this reasoning to explain his suspicion of Sauce, something I really don't understand and think quite suspicious, as if he is trying to build up a case with nothing to use as foundations, but is determined to do it anyway. Could be an innocent, as most people end up suspecting Sauce eventually, but could be a wolf trying to cause people to suspect him. Also seems to be a rather sudden switch from thinking it would be better to leave him alive in case he's innocent.

Post 266 - votes morm on a gut suspicion, for being too bold. After the previous posts worrying over Sauce, it seems odd that he voted for morm instead. Perhaps he was more confident of getting a bandwagon behind morm than Sauce, which worked.

Post 316 - says he had thought Holby innocent but not the Seer. Why did he say this? There was no need for it, we know he didn't suspect her but pointing it out is odd. Also complains that she spoke about Sauce in her final post. Again mentions the dilemma over Sauce, whether to leave him alive in case innocent or to kill him in case guilty. Asks Diamond to analyse him, perhaps because he can't find the reasoning that would make a case, or because this way he knows it will be done by an innocent (presuming that Diamond is here) and so he can't be picked up on it later.

Post 336 - says Di's analysis has convinced him that Sauce is a wolf and Di is not, but that there could be some way the two are working together. He never makes a concrete statement. You think he does with the first bit but then always finds a way to challlenge it. Is inclined to think Ang innocent except for his theory that one of Ang and morm are wolves and since morm was proven innocent it would follow that Ang is a wolf. Then switches to Ang to Sauce being the wolves because they've been flying under the radar. Lots of random suspicion seemingly designed to keep Sauce in the frame.

Post 344 - analyses Ang, finding some of his early banter about killing the pirates odd. After this sees nothing suspicious, and can't work out why morm felt that way. Then suspects Ang for pointing out the obvious that the wolves would be in the bandwagons. Again hypocritical as Glirdan himself did that at the beginning of Day 2. After this though decides that Ang is innocent, though it is possible he is pulling a double bluff - again nothing concrete. Having lost one suspect, decides to look at me.

Post 351 - decides not to bother finishing his Ang analysis, either because he has decided he is innocent and can't build up a case, or because he is a fellow wolf and going any further would put too much suspicion on him. Switches to me, saying that I use other peoples views to form my suspicions (yup) and that I don't put out my own theories (often yup). So fair points there. Thinks Ang's vote for Eomer could be viewed as suspicious as it would make for a perfect defense if pulled up on it. Again some hypocrisy, as after mentioning that I use other people to form opinions, he does the same thing over Sauce via Di.

Post 356 - votes Sauce, having gone against his earlier idea that it is better to leave him alive in case innocent due to Di's analysis.

Post 365 - again an early post, saying he thinks Di the lover (overexcitement from a wolf glad to be rid of the wildcards?) but finds Fin's death odd. I don't like these questions over why people died, they seem too much like a wolf trying to gauge the reaction from the village so that he can later agree with it.

Post 368 - claims memory loss over Fin being a known innocent in the manner of Durelin. If he knows her to be innocent then it would be a good tactic. Still arguing that Di was the Lover.

Post 391 - says his suspicion of Sauce has eased after the analyses, perhaps because Di is no longer there to aid him in his crusade, or indeed because they are fellow wolves and he feels that he has put enough pressure on to be safe if Sauce is lynched. Again mentions suspicion of me for not using my own reasoning. Still some suspicion of Ang because of what morm said, ahem, hypocrisy again I feel. Nervous of Tali and Caran because they could be the innocent Lover, a fair point. Thinks Gurthang and Durelin are probably innocent, though we seem to have no reasoning for this.

Post 392 - officially clears Tali, the first concrete thing I have seen from Glirdan all game, so that in itself seems odd to me. Tali was cleared for not defending anyone, but he's a clever player, and it is possible that he is flying so completely under the radar so as not to incriminate his wolvish comrade.

Oh thank goodness the boy's stopped talking! Or should I say the wolf, as I have become rather convinced that he is one. I've played a few games with Glirdan and I'm sure I've never seen him so flip-floppy. He accuses people of doing something and suspects them for it, whilst doing the same thing himself. He has no concrete suspicions at all. He attacks often with gut feelings rather than logic, and he has not been at all consistent over any of his suspicions.

Now that took so long I am going to have to go. I hope to be back to analyse Ang or Sauce or both, though I think my ideas on them will be based on whether Glirdan is innocent or a wolf.
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