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Old 09-10-2006, 03:15 PM   #11
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Book MoS was an ambassador there to parly. Movie MoS was no ambassador at all, and did not claim parly either. He was there to taunt them before his troops ripped them apart.
I disagree. In the movies there is clearly set up a term of negotians and a message from Sauron:


Mouth:
My master, Sauron the Great, bids thee welcome. Is there any in this rout with authority to treat with me?
Gandalf: We do not wish to treat with Sauron, Faithless, and Accursed; Tell your master this: The armies of Mordor must disband. He is to depart these lands, never to return.
Mouth: Ahh, old grey beard. I have a token I was bidden to show thee.

(Throws out the Mithril coat, some shock and dismays. This is when the MoS starts gloating over Frodo and his death, he was tortured...etc)

Aragorn then rides up the Mouth says, blah takes more to make a king than a broken elvish...and he can't finish because his head is then chopped off. In which case Gimli so comically remarks 'I guess that concludes negotiations.'

Jackson knew exactly what he was doing, he exactly understood the scene in the book. The Mouth comes out, says would someone like to treat with me...the scene continues, head chopped off, Gimli remarks thats the end of negotiations. It doesn't matter if the MoS insults, annoys, gloats...etc, there is a clear scene set up where the Mouth (in the movies) was out there as a messenger and Aragorn kills him as Mithalwen references in another thread 'in cold blood.' Clearly there were negotiotians going on, Gandalf even acknowledges this in the movies, 'Tell Sauron this....,' and Aragorn rides up in anger to chop his head off.

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and to be honest that was what the Book MoS was there for - Sauron knew our Heroes would not surrender - remember he thought they had the Ring - it was just a trap to draw them close so he could spring his trap anyway
Doesn't matter, Aragorn and company willingly road in expecting to fight, that was there plan. They wanted the armies to come out (in both the books and the movies). There was no hope for a military overthrow of Sauron, but Aragorn willingly road out to the black gate, so Frodo would have the chance. It doesn't matter if Sauron is planning to trap them or not, the MoS was out there for a message and to deliver terms. This is clearly established in both the movies and the books. But Jackson decided to have fun because it would be cool to kill a gross disgunting evil man.
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