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Given that this is Gandalf speaking, I'm inclined to follow his lead and take his interpretation of the situation. Now if you want to try and discredit Gandalf you may go right ahead and try...
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That's not too hard...I mean after all it's not that difficult to prove an old crazy man has no idea what he's talking about.
Afterall, here was the guy that called Treebeard the oldest creature that was on the earth and the man who wanted Gimli (who had never been in Moria before) to help him navigate through the Mines.
