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Old 11-13-2006, 06:21 AM   #32
Raynor
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Though perhaps this explains why they send the wind to dissipate him?
How do you interpret dissipate in this case?
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after all, surely if he could, then wouldn't he have smote the Hobbits or somesuch?
We know from Myths Transformed that when Melkor was executed:
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Originally Posted by Notes on motives in the Silmarillion, iii, HoME X
When that body was destroyed he was weak and utterly 'houseless', and for that time at a loss and 'unanchored' as it were.
I would say that a similar situation occured with Saruman, who was far less powerful than Melkor, and thus even more severely (and for a longer term) weakened by the loss of his hroa.
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Is it possible that it was essential to have a Hroa in order to use language?
It depends on what sort of language; Tolkien differentiates between lambe and tengwesta. Lambe, language, has the same root as lamba, which is the phisical tongue, a relation which rose "from elementary observation of the important part played by the tongue in articulate speaking, and from noticing the peculiarities of individuals, and the soon-developing minor differences in the language of groups and clans", cf. Appendix D, Quendi an Eldar, HoME XI. The eldar also used tengwesta, "a system or code of signs": a lambe is a tengwesta built of sounds. As such, it is most likely that thought transmission used some sort of tengwesta; the root "ten" means to point at, and it is free from any limitation to the kind of signs used.
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The possession of a Hroa actually provides some degree of 'protection', an additional barrier of Unwill to prevent the mind from being perceived.
While a hroa does hinder thought transmission, I don't think that, in fact, it serves as a protection, seeing that a hroa weakens a maia's (or vala's) abilities, in which I would include the strength of the unwill - although you may be right. I am thinking of Saruman who let some of his secrets slip to Sauron, while looking in the palantir.
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