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Originally Posted by Kath
Nogrod can I just ask why you think that is a flip-flop? Looking at it he's saying the same thing in a different way. He is using one point, the idea that a wolf won't vote first in a possible bandwagon, to point out guilt in you and innocence in Volo.
It seems that you either misunderstood or you're twisting words.
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Yes you can. I tried to turn and check that one over and over again a couple of times before I posted it and thought I had it right. Let's try to see the reasoning here then as I see it.
He (menel-hobbit) says that I'm a baddie as I wait for
Voloin to vote as not to be seen as one who started the bandwaggon (= those who start are looked as the guilty ones). Then he says that
Voloin started it and is innocent looking (= those who start are not looked as guilty ones). I see a contradiction here. And something very fishy begging the question as goes with cases that are made forcibly, not with a genuine way the innocents try to make them...
And also it should be seen that after one or two votes it's not a bandwaggon yet. It's easy to be "wise" afterwards. It was not a bandwaggon when
Voloin voted or when I did as no one else than
Beornómien and
Spawn knew whom they were going to vote when our votes were cast. It became a bandwaggon only after both
Voloin and myself had already voted...