[Måns]

Still, would all this have happened if it had not beeen for his rashness? One cannot free the "hero" of all blame just because he is the hero, everybody is utterly responsible for the actions. Of course, I am not the first that points out the similarity between this story and that of Oidipus and Kadmic Thebes but this kind of things was well established in Greek tradition. "This kind of things" is the sytematic destruction of a family line with utter thoruoughness and sadness too. Look at the sons of Atrevs, Menelaos and Agamemnon, there was a "curse" or a "divine punishment" upon them too that followed their line. As with Túrin they were somewhat aware of this and always caused their own misery, with a little help from an enemy. As example, Agamemnon was forced to sacrifice his own daughter to get wind for his hsips because he ahd shot one of Artemis's hinds. Túrin was forced to bear the blame for Saeros deaths, in both cases, the men had been rash and tried to overrule laws, divine or more concrete, consciously or not. Tolkien was, as all gentlemen of the time at least slightly learned in Greek litterary tradition and might have picked some stuff up there. Or maybe it is jsut me with my eccentric fascination for this [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img].

This leads into a more interesting reasoning, wheter laws should be considered infallible and always obeyed or not. As example, Jesus. Since we do not know anything about Jesus except what the Bible says which is written by his followers and thus partial I will be careful with facts. Jesus was obviously a severe criminal and a revolter, seeing it from a judicial point of view, he had been proclaimed King of the Jews which was considered as a severe crime in the Roman empire, not without it's grounds. But then again, what was he guilty too? The law was simply a bit too blind. I would like to pooint out that I do not belong to any of the three religions concerned with Jesus. I repeat, I am not Jewish, Muslim or Christian.

Another example is the curse of Mandos. What ahd men done to be drawn into it? And thus we have returned to the starting point, Túrin. Was eh guilty? For it was not only the curse of Morgoth, but also that of Mandos that affected his actions. What had he done, except fighting bravley to protect his family adn homeland?

Intriguing question indeed.

EDIT: Thanks for the welcome and the link to that thread, interesting reasong, men orka läsa gamla trådar som man inte kan diskutera i [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]!

Måns

[ July 09, 2003: Message edited by: Måns ]