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Old 07-10-2003, 08:51 AM   #13
Inderjit Sanghera
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I also find it funny that when questioned by Brandir about what his sister, Nienor looked like, he gives a completely different description, rather amusing, for me, I think he realised that Brandir's words rang true but still couldn't face up to it.

Though, when questioning Turin's fate, one would like for him to get his own back upon Morgoth. This is apparent in Turumbar and The Foaloke(BoLT 2) in which he comes back to fight besides Fionwe, the pre-cursor of Eonwe, who is here Manwe's son as opposed to his herald, as the idea of Valarin pro-creation was latter dropped in the writing of the Latter Quenta Silmarillionbut in the writing of Sketch of the Mythology (HoME 4)his role was expanded to him slaying Melkor himself, with Fionwe and Tulkas at his side. This is latter re-iterated in the Prophecy of Mandos in the Early Quenta Silmarillion(HoME 5)in which Namo prophecies that Turin would come back and slay Melkor bu there is one main problem with this- the Valaquenta claims that Namo wouldn't reveal anything about Arda's fate so it is not a authentic Noldorin text, and is a Numenorean tale, and our fears are allayed in Myths Transformed (HoME 10)when Tolkien states that the Three Great Tales, Turin, Luthien and Earendil were of Numenorean origin and men had a habit of bringing in their own mythos into the legendarium, thus the 'false' tale of the Sun+Moon creation. They may have derived this idea from the Beorian wise-woman, Andreth, of the Athrabeth Finrod ah Andreth(HoME 10) who is said in the Problem of Ros (HoME 12)to prophesise that in the Dagorath he will slay Ancalagon, though the Andreth like anyone is fallible, it seems that Turin would now be slaying Ancalagon instead of Morgoth, yet this still doesn't fit in with the doom of men that they would pass to beyond the circle of the world, even if Turin is a exception. And though Tolkien never STATES he has abandoned Turin's slaying of Morgoth, I think he had.
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