I typed as I read, so forgive if I'm repeating what's been said or seem a bit disjointed.
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Originally Posted by SPM
I therefore suggest that we all agree to state here honestly the name of the person we have voted for at or about the same time that we each cast our vote.
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If I'd have been here first, I would have said it myself. After all, the innocent have no need to lie. We wouldn't be able to use vote placement, but that's overrated anyways. Analysis, analysis, analysis....
I'll be making a chart of suspicions and "votes" as much as possible, if anyone's interested, by the way.
And oh, for heaven's sake people, yes, the new game is fun, but if this in characterness doesn't stop soon, we aren't getting anywhere. Please, please, focus, just a little.
Gil, your initial suspicion of Sleepy is faulty- he's not the only in character poster. I dare say those of us who aren't are the minority right now. I really hope you can come up with better and more sensical reasons.
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Originally Posted by Nogrod
But at least at the moment I'm not sharing the optimism of some. Even if the Vampires can't vote, they can influence the overall opinion around and steer the vote still - if they wish to do that in the first place. So we have very little solid evidence on anything here.
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Are you ever optimistic on Day 1? We have all the solid evidence we need- in people's posts. You can't take back what you've said. And if you're lying, you will be caught in a contradiction.
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Originally Posted by sixth
Already jumping to 'I don't trust...'? I think this is a bit early to be pointing and accusing.
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Either Sixth hasn't been reading, or he's spinning things. I don't trust Rikae any more than I trust anyone else here, but Sixth is pointing out something in Rikae that hs been done already by numerous others- yet he refrains from mentioning them. Not too mention, the way he points it out can be very easily construed as doing the same thing. also:
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Originally Posted by sixth
Somehow I think this may be a bad idea. And it kinda defeats the purpose of votes not being shown. Vampires can still lie about a vote they might have made instead of actually make one.
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It would only hurt the vampires, because while they can lie, the results won't change. We can easily find discrepancies in the votes afterwards. Also, you may recall that I personally checked with Volo on the Admin thread before the roles were sent to see if this would be okay. He answered positively. Indeed, there's no reason not to go with this plan.
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Originally Posted by Nogrod
I wouldn't like to lose Rikae either, but would be very interested in hearing some explanations on why she downright lied to us...
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Again, I'm not defending Rikae, but Nogrod is using some very strong language here. (With a little waffle thrown in at the end, as per usual
) No, Rikae did not actually accuse anyone for in-character actions. What she did was banter with Mac, and contstruing it any other way is twisting the truth. So she did not lie about that. And Gil did accuse someone for in-characterness - Rikae and Sleepy. (You seemed to have missed that last part.
In fact, Nogrod, your whole case could be seen as an outright lie.
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Originally Posted by gil
i'm afraid it wasn't m'dear
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How was it not blatantly obvious. Seriously, explain how it could be taken as any other way.
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Originally Posted by Kitanna
Though the vampires have no vote and will clearly be lying about who they voted for (should SpM's plan be followed), I wonder if others will not lie as well. It seems unlikely, but unless I've read the rules wrong the vampires have a seer, a ranger, and a hunter on their side, correct? All of those folk receive votes, as does the shade. That's four votes that the voter could lie about to the village. Revealing our votes is a good idea, but I'm a bit hesitant given the amount of people who have the potential to lie about it and screw with the village.
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Any villager who blatantly lies about thier vote is a traitor to the village. And while we won't know exactly who did the lying, it won't be hard to figure it out. Three people will definitely be lying. That's the whole point.
Right now, I am most suspicious of Gil and Nogrod. *experiences a sudden feeling of de ja vu* I was wrong last time, but this time- well, Nogrod's blatant lying about Rikae's "blatant lying" is worrisome, and Gil's seemingly deliberate misinterpertation of her in-character posts (I really don't see how you could mistake that for something serious) make me think the Vamps have found a scapegoat.