Also Iarwain, is it possible to fully discuss and understand 'goodness' without a full understanding of what 'evil' truly is? I believe that goodness is the absence of evil, or the ability to 'just say no' to what you know is wrong, but it wouldn't be possible to understand my belief if it wasn't first clear what 'evil' even is. I think that's why this thread seems to be turning to a discussion of 'evil'. If we keep it going and argue more, it will probably turn back to your intended topic.
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