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Nogrod · 06-30-2007, 07:15 PM

"Oh, I do apologise for one thing guy. It is this Androg-thing. I thought you were saying I would use that Androg-stuff to ground my vote-to-come on you toDay, not that I would use it to explain my earlier vote... Sorry. That was a misunderstanding. But then again I see no reason why I should come up with multiple different versions of my reasons to explain my vote on you on Day1 as I had already given my reason. For honest people the actual reason is enough. If it's not understood one may have to explain it a few times but that normally suffices - as I thought it had done in the end. So that kind of interpretation of your point didn't even cross my mind.

But for the subject you raised I see no reason to make apologies for. I still think you were up to no good when you suddenly - and quite heavily jumped on me with phrases like:

I feel quite certain of your wolvery, and:
so I must conclude that you are a wolf, trying to mislead and gain trust as early as possible

Not to mention that the first of these "conclusions" was based on:

I do not know why you are so sure that there is a wolf among those who contribute so little, Nogrod. However, what you say is true: if these people are wolves, their silence means they will likely live a long time, avoiding suspicion.

Which I find especially curious because in the end of that speech you deducted that:

this would lead me to believe that the quiet trio are in fact innocents

And before and after that you have been possibly even louder in calling the lynching of the quiets and also voted for a quiet member both Days... So you used them just as a tool for your argument at that spot when you tried to get me lynched? And as no one took your bait you fell back to the "lynch the quiets" tactics - from which you're coming back to me again, right?

If you would be innocent, why would you tie these two things together? Either I'm innocent and the quiets are not or then vice versa? It sounds very much like a wolf who knows we all are innocents! And that should make me think all this again myself...

So maybe you've read my concerns (or thought about them open yourself) that Turín maybe a quiet one and thence lynching any quiets is good for you, and as you know my innocence I should be dealt with as well as I'm on your trail?

Not the worst theory I've had these past Days.

Oh and the second "I must conclude"... It was based on this discussion whether we should lynch someone who will die anyway by the higher forces if we don't have any good suspicions on anyone else:

The same could be achieved if everybody abstained from voting, so nobody was lynched at all. Village numbers could stay high for as long as possible, but in the end the Wolves would consume us all

And that surely is your own fabrication. Not lynching anyone is stupid - see what happened to Xyzzy when he tried that idea... but still you actually came back to it later and accused me of speaking such nonsense.

Now why, comes the question?

Your stuff on my "self-preservation vs. common good" was just plain ridiculous, your trial - that has succeeded very well indeed, hats off to you for that - to engage my time to solely answering your farfetched and self-fabricated points of "mine" and all these twisted arguments you've used to achieve it... Now why?

I know you're an intelligent person and that bothers me. Were you a wolf you wouldn't probably be this bold or this one-track minded... Trying to focus on actively lynching either me or Turín from amongst the quiet might be a good tactics for one wolf if the other one has slipped under everyone's radar. Or maybe my first idea of Androg was right after all and in that case you should not be lynched - if I'm guessing right the function of that role.

This is a hard one. I can't say I trust you to be a wolf but there is something that is wrong and twisted with your speeches and most probably also behind it. It would be quite fun indeed if almost in a row my family's member would catch a wolf of your family. Almost too good to be true?

But let this be the last from me to guy for a while as I need some sleep soon and to have some energy after I wake up to look at some other things as well. For that surely is the thing I'm going to do.

Even if guy is a wolf - which I really am undecided right now as fex. I think guy would not waste a kill during the Night so easily and thence the question of Gil and Izzy comes to haunt me again - there is anyway two wolves around and we should have some new ideas. Now this discussion has centered within a very small perimeter leaving many people outside any scrutiny.

Like Lhuna and some others said: we need to look at everyone. And at least under my radar there are more people right now as inside."

Nogrod nodded to those awake outside and went to his bed to have a sleep.

06-30-2007, 07:15 PM	#137
Nogrod Flame of the Ainulindalë Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Wearing rat's coat, crowskin, crossed staves in a field behaving as the wind behaves Posts: 9,308	"Oh, I do apologise for one thing guy. It is this Androg-thing. I thought you were saying I would use that Androg-stuff to ground my vote-to-come on you toDay, not that I would use it to explain my earlier vote... Sorry. That was a misunderstanding. But then again I see no reason why I should come up with multiple different versions of my reasons to explain my vote on you on Day1 as I had already given my reason. For honest people the actual reason is enough. If it's not understood one may have to explain it a few times but that normally suffices - as I thought it had done in the end. So that kind of interpretation of your point didn't even cross my mind. But for the subject you raised I see no reason to make apologies for. I still think you were up to no good when you suddenly - and quite heavily jumped on me with phrases like: I feel quite certain of your wolvery, and: so I must conclude that you are a wolf, trying to mislead and gain trust as early as possible Not to mention that the first of these "conclusions" was based on: I do not know why you are so sure that there is a wolf among those who contribute so little, Nogrod. However, what you say is true: if these people are wolves, their silence means they will likely live a long time, avoiding suspicion. Which I find especially curious because in the end of that speech you deducted that: this would lead me to believe that the quiet trio are in fact innocents And before and after that you have been possibly even louder in calling the lynching of the quiets and also voted for a quiet member both Days... So you used them just as a tool for your argument at that spot when you tried to get me lynched? And as no one took your bait you fell back to the "lynch the quiets" tactics - from which you're coming back to me again, right? If you would be innocent, why would you tie these two things together? Either I'm innocent and the quiets are not or then vice versa? It sounds very much like a wolf who knows we all are innocents! And that should make me think all this again myself... So maybe you've read my concerns (or thought about them open yourself) that Turín maybe a quiet one and thence lynching any quiets is good for you, and as you know my innocence I should be dealt with as well as I'm on your trail? Not the worst theory I've had these past Days. Oh and the second "I must conclude"... It was based on this discussion whether we should lynch someone who will die anyway by the higher forces if we don't have any good suspicions on anyone else: The same could be achieved if everybody abstained from voting, so nobody was lynched at all. Village numbers could stay high for as long as possible, but in the end the Wolves would consume us all And that surely is your own fabrication. Not lynching anyone is stupid - see what happened to Xyzzy when he tried that idea... but still you actually came back to it later and accused me of speaking such nonsense. Now why, comes the question? Your stuff on my "self-preservation vs. common good" was just plain ridiculous, your trial - that has succeeded very well indeed, hats off to you for that - to engage my time to solely answering your farfetched and self-fabricated points of "mine" and all these twisted arguments you've used to achieve it... Now why? I know you're an intelligent person and that bothers me. Were you a wolf you wouldn't probably be this bold or this one-track minded... Trying to focus on actively lynching either me or Turín from amongst the quiet might be a good tactics for one wolf if the other one has slipped under everyone's radar. Or maybe my first idea of Androg was right after all and in that case you should not be lynched - if I'm guessing right the function of that role. This is a hard one. I can't say I trust you to be a wolf but there is something that is wrong and twisted with your speeches and most probably also behind it. It would be quite fun indeed if almost in a row my family's member would catch a wolf of your family. Almost too good to be true? But let this be the last from me to guy for a while as I need some sleep soon and to have some energy after I wake up to look at some other things as well. For that surely is the thing I'm going to do. Even if guy is a wolf - which I really am undecided right now as fex. I think guy would not waste a kill during the Night so easily and thence the question of Gil and Izzy comes to haunt me again - there is anyway two wolves around and we should have some new ideas. Now this discussion has centered within a very small perimeter leaving many people outside any scrutiny. Like Lhuna and some others said: we need to look at everyone. And at least under my radar there are more people right now as inside." Nogrod nodded to those awake outside and went to his bed to have a sleep.