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Nogrod · 07-01-2007, 06:32 AM

Nogrod was getting back to his senses. Even if he had slept clearly to the afternoon only a few people had spoken. Now this is never going to work if you people imitate Gil this passionately...

"I have a few short comments, then I have to take some more sleep... but after that I'm going to make a real effort with you others.

Some people here have voiced somewhat astonishing ideas about people's voting that I just can't bear listening anymore. And the danger is that if no one corrects those thoughts someone might actually base one's vote on that kind of obviously faulty speculation.

So Izzy, you suspected Rikae because she changed her vote and said:

When it comes to the wolves, they typically don't care who gets the chop, as long as it is not one of their own. I find that those with purer hearts than this group of outlaws; tend to stick with their original decisions.

The first sentence is absolutely right but how can you then deduce the second one from it as it should be the opposite? The wolves can look consistent and stick with their decisions as they know what they're doing unlike us. It is a mark of an innocent villager thinking for the common good to be able to change one's mind when one realises that one is possibly doing a mistake. An innocent should think first and foremost who is s/he helping to lynch in concrete terms and whether it is a good decision or not - not about showing a consistent record of sticking to whatever original decision which may have been done without some knowledge s/he has gained later or which has turned out to look bad after some additional thinking."

Then Nogrod turned to Lhuna and looked at her for a while just wondering about her and what she might be up to. Finally he addressed her.

"No Lhuna, Brinn's last one was not a good point. Indeed she didn't even offer it as a point in a way I interpret you are trying to twist it... and if my memory serves me right this was not the first time you're happy to jump on repeating quite bad points if they further your personal goals, right? I don't know but I will sure check this out later toDay.

Tell me Lhuna, were you an honourable person who would not be sleeping around the deadline, wouldn't you like to hear all before you make your vote? Wouldn't it be your duty to not vote hastily but to see what is going on and try to help things turn out the good way? How would you as innocent have voted during those last minutes yourself? If you had voted for someone else than Xyzzy who was already dead at that point I'm sure there would be a throng of voices to ask you now "why you did you make such a throw-away vote, aren't you lupine then?" Trust me, I got quite enough of that yesterDay... But had you then decided to just join the waggon, there would be your kind of people asking now whether that deepens their suspicions of you because you voted so safe?

So what kind of vote in the end of yesterDay would not be suspicious to your eyes?

Aren't you using double-standards here by first stating myself to be suspicious because I didn't vote for someone who was about to be lynched (Day1 voting) and now (Day2 voting) because I did vote for the one who was getting lynched?"

Before withdrawing to his blanket he glanced at Macalaure and smiled.

"Oh Mac, you can't be serious with that proposal... Just look at me and my old bones and listen to this discussion around us. So you say I might be one who is feeling confident to twist everyone's mind into my favour while in reality everything I say seem to get half the people suspecting me.

Hah..."

Nogrod turned around under his blanket.

"This lack of arguments is killing us..." he mumbled half-sleeping.

07-01-2007, 06:32 AM	#144
Nogrod Flame of the Ainulindalë Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Wearing rat's coat, crowskin, crossed staves in a field behaving as the wind behaves Posts: 9,308	Nogrod was getting back to his senses. Even if he had slept clearly to the afternoon only a few people had spoken. Now this is never going to work if you people imitate Gil this passionately... "I have a few short comments, then I have to take some more sleep... but after that I'm going to make a real effort with you others. Some people here have voiced somewhat astonishing ideas about people's voting that I just can't bear listening anymore. And the danger is that if no one corrects those thoughts someone might actually base one's vote on that kind of obviously faulty speculation. So Izzy, you suspected Rikae because she changed her vote and said: When it comes to the wolves, they typically don't care who gets the chop, as long as it is not one of their own. I find that those with purer hearts than this group of outlaws; tend to stick with their original decisions. The first sentence is absolutely right but how can you then deduce the second one from it as it should be the opposite? The wolves can look consistent and stick with their decisions as they know what they're doing unlike us. It is a mark of an innocent villager thinking for the common good to be able to change one's mind when one realises that one is possibly doing a mistake. An innocent should think first and foremost who is s/he helping to lynch in concrete terms and whether it is a good decision or not - not about showing a consistent record of sticking to whatever original decision which may have been done without some knowledge s/he has gained later or which has turned out to look bad after some additional thinking." Then Nogrod turned to Lhuna and looked at her for a while just wondering about her and what she might be up to. Finally he addressed her. "No Lhuna, Brinn's last one was not a good point. Indeed she didn't even offer it as a point in a way I interpret you are trying to twist it... and if my memory serves me right this was not the first time you're happy to jump on repeating quite bad points if they further your personal goals, right? I don't know but I will sure check this out later toDay. Tell me Lhuna, were you an honourable person who would not be sleeping around the deadline, wouldn't you like to hear all before you make your vote? Wouldn't it be your duty to not vote hastily but to see what is going on and try to help things turn out the good way? How would you as innocent have voted during those last minutes yourself? If you had voted for someone else than Xyzzy who was already dead at that point I'm sure there would be a throng of voices to ask you now "why you did you make such a throw-away vote, aren't you lupine then?" Trust me, I got quite enough of that yesterDay... But had you then decided to just join the waggon, there would be your kind of people asking now whether that deepens their suspicions of you because you voted so safe? So what kind of vote in the end of yesterDay would not be suspicious to your eyes? Aren't you using double-standards here by first stating myself to be suspicious because I didn't vote for someone who was about to be lynched (Day1 voting) and now (Day2 voting) because I did vote for the one who was getting lynched?" Before withdrawing to his blanket he glanced at Macalaure and smiled. "Oh Mac, you can't be serious with that proposal... Just look at me and my old bones and listen to this discussion around us. So you say I might be one who is feeling confident to twist everyone's mind into my favour while in reality everything I say seem to get half the people suspecting me. Hah..." Nogrod turned around under his blanket. "This lack of arguments is killing us..." he mumbled half-sleeping.