Reflection of Darkness
Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: Polishing the stars. Well, somebody has to do it; they're looking a little bit dull.
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The Captains talk: Night 4
A lot more:
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Originally Posted by Brinn
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Originally Posted by Legate
"Damn it!" said Brinn. "I was sure we were right this time."
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Legate sure said it for me. *curses again* Though I admit, his last few posts made me think him less guilty. A wolf would've given up and not say anything. We have to get a wolf toMorrow, we just have to. At least his posts will be helpful to us...
Do you think it's possible Mithalwen is Nienor? She seemed so certain of Noggie's innocence...
And who on earth are our wolves? I really want to take a closer look at Izzy, she seems pretty suspicious right now. What to do, what to do... I need to go look at Nogrod's posts and think about this.
On a different note, I'm rather pleased I survived past Day 3. Finally! *prances around in a field of daisies*
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Yeah, I was pretty happy about finally breaking my curse...
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Originally Posted by Brinn
I took a quick look at Nogrod's posts, and I'm not sure how useful he will be. I mean, first he speculates that I'm either a sleeper, or I'm a seer, which is completely off. At the end of the Day, he shares his thoughts, thinking you and Rikae likely to be wolves, and we know both of you aren't. If the village heeds his words, you might be in for some trouble tomorrow...
These are the only things I can get from Nogrod:
-The possibility of Androg (which you mentioned something similar last Night)
-the possible innocence of tgwbs
-the possible guilt of Lhuna
-the very likely chance that there are wolves among the quiet ones
Here are my thoughts:
Lhuna: It's hard to tell, but I still just can't see wolvishness in her. But at the same time...she doesn't seem like an ordinary. I think it more likely she's Angrog/thief/whatever, but knowing me, I could be totally wrong.
Mithalwen: I find it strange that an ordinary Innocent would be so confident of someone's innocence. One option is that she is Nienor, a seer who dreamt of Nogrod. Or, she is a wolf who's trying to avoid suspicion by defending someone she knows is innocent (though I'd think her smart enough to know this could easily backfire). Or, I'm just putting too much into this and she really is just an ordinary.
tgwbs: I've been so suspicious of him, but now I'm beginning to doubt myself. Some of his arguments make great sense. But then again...I just don't know.
Gil-Galad: I have no idea what to think. Part of me thinks Legate wouldn't give him such a role knowing he'd be away for multiple days, but I can't base these things off meta-reasons. I did notice that he posted on a thread recently, so hopefully he will be back toMorrow.
Izzy: Her firsts posts have little content, she accuses Rikae, then accuses you of being a silent one, and then is quick to jump on the Nogrod bandwagon. Remember, Nogrod said to look at the third voter, and I think there's a chance she cross-posted and didn't see that comment. And if she is a clumsy wolf, then this action of her's isn't surprising. Right now, she's my highest suspect.
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Originally Posted by Mac
I will later take another look at Lhuna, Izzy and Mith. I spent quite some time yesterday looking at tgwbs, and I don't see him very guilty.
A lot of meta-reasoning: Now, why did the wolves miss their kill? Did Androg protect somebody and Legate had fun with a slightly misleading narration? Otherwise, the wolves simply failed to kill. Apart from Gil and Izzy (who was evil in her recent first game, I think), I couldn't imagine that anybody would just forget to send it (why does Nogrod feel so special concerning this?)! But in no way these two are our two wolves. Problems with the forum software? Legate's profile doesn't give an Email address or something, so if the pm system was down, I actually wouldn't know how to contact him. Or maybe there was simply a misunderstanding between the wolves (wolf a: you go send the kill; wolf b: ok, you send the kill...). I'm extremely confused.
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Originally Posted by Rikae
1. The thief used the bow to protect the wolves' intended victim.You all claim that this did not hoppen because there is no sign of struggle; but it could be that someone wants us to remain uncertain about the role of the thief..."Rikae looked at the sky accusingly..."In that case, the wolves are likely inexperienced, and/or Beleg and the thief quite astute.
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Is that a slip of Androg? Did she protect someone at night and was dissatisfied with the ambiguous narration?
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Originally Posted by Brinn
On revealing: As the Days continue, I'm sure more pressure will be put on us Gifteds, so I thought I should just mention this. I'm not real keen on revealing since I don't know much, and since I wouldn't reveal you, I could only expose Rikae of her innocence. I would only reveal if things looked real bad for me during the Day and I knew I would be a goner otherwise before the Day was over. Actually when I think about it, if I were forced to reveal it wouldn't have to be so terrible. If the thief can protect and didn't protect me the night before, I'd have an extra Day. And assuming Nienor isn't attacked, she could reveal the next Day so that she could be protected when I die. Of course, there are so many other factors that could make that go wrong. Like I said, I don't intend to reveal unless I have no other choice.
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Originally Posted by Mac
Jay isn't impossible. Last I looked I found him more innocent. If he isn't, he's playing marvelously, I think, so I will look elsewhere first. I can't judge Gil before he hasn't contributed something again. I'd consider voting him in case he doesn't.
I just took a new look at Lhuna and I still don't see her suspicious, as much as I tried. One thing caught my eye:
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Originally Posted by Lhuna
"I think the wolves won't necessarily want to kill the loudest first, as they're ones who could quite easily get into trouble."
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If she's evil, then this is an interesting statement. Why would a wolf so openly, and so coolly, give away their nightly train of thought? Sure, some would, but is Lhuna such a pokerface?
On revealing:
If we reveal, we maybe should reveal as a whole. I mean, after all, I have no special power worth of hiding anymore. Unless you and Nienor get killed, we will have 3 known innocents and 4 unknowns, which isn't all that bad (I doubt the wolves will kill me, or Rikae again (unless they also noticed that possible slip)). Unless one of us is in peril, I think it will be best to keep hiding for another day. Tomorrow will be very interesting even this way. Once we reveal, we will then go down one by one, one way or the other, but our chances to pick the wolf from the remaining four or three (without Nienor) aren't bad.
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Originally Posted by Brinn
I thought about that. The only problem with that is if we end up lynching the thief or they die toNight, you will be our protector once again and exposed, the wolves wouldn't hesitate to kill you. I guess it'd still give Nienor and me an extra Day, but we'd most definitely end up going down in one blow.
On who to pick it's a tough choice. I'm not sure Izzy's our wolf, but it just has to either be her or Gil and I don't know anything about him. I just don't feel that a wolfish Mith would pursue defending someone so strongly. If she's innocent, I think there's a good chance the wolves will attack her, so hopefully this thief will protect her. I don't really want to not take the opportunity to hunt a possible wolf...the village needs it. But a three innocent kill would be brutal; if we all died toNight you guys would have to get the next lynchee right or it's over. Though, when I think about it, we'd fall in the same situation even with a two innocent kill, for it'd be over after the next Night if a kill isn't protected or missed. The advantage if three of us are killed is that it should at least be easier for you guys to seek out the wolves.
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Originally Posted by Mac
Isabellkya
In her only one real contribution she tries to turn the focus on the vocal ones, possibly in order to escape lynching herself. It's quite bad, but other than that, I think she sounds more inexperienced than evil.
Then, later, she noticed that Nogrod and Rikae didn't mention each other much. The reasoning of her vote is not suspicious, I think. The placement might be.
Then again, one of the wolves is probably a quiet one...
Mithalwen
All she does is defend Nogrod. Sure, a wolf might do that, I've done it before, too, but it basically is her only point, which she iterates again and again. The way she fears Nogrod to be a gifted makes me think of, like you said already, Nienor, pretty strongly even.
Since Gil would pretty much be a shot into the dark, I would hunt Isabellkya. Or, if you're really sure about Mith and unsure about everybody else, you could hunt her and minimise our losses.
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Originally Posted by Brinn
I don't think the no-kill last Night was strategic; it was most likely a miscommunication, and I doubt that happen between two active members. The wolves are most likely one quiet and one active, but I can't be sure.
Also, if I die and take down an innocent, you probably should consider revealing toMorrow...because then they won't suspect you or Rikae.
Another thing: I think there's a chance either Lhuna or tgwbs is our thief, so keep an eye out on them.
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