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Originally Posted by Morwen
Yes, it's possible that Morgoth may have had such a plan, but from my reading of the text I have to ask "Is it likely?"
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Well, I've read the text, too, and my reading tells me that it is.
As I said, I don't argue that Morgoth planned or foresaw the ruin as it came to be, just that he sent out Húrin with the intent to harm in particular Doriath.
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As for the Gondolin question I don't think it's coincidence that Morgoth, who knows or at least has good reason to suspect that Hurin knows the whereabouts of Gondolin, has him followed. It certainly wouldn't be unreasonable for Morgoth to assume that Hurin, alone and friendless, might possibly seek out aid from those in the Hidden Kingdom. I don't think that Hurin going to Gondolin is more than Morgoth hoped for. I think it is precisely what he did hope for.
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Of course Morgoths suspects Húrin of knowing the whereabouts of Gondolin. But Húrin managed to conceal his knowledge from Morgoth for decades. Was it reasonable for Morgoth to think that Húrin would now be so unwise? The fact that Húrin is followed isn't necessarily evidence, because he would have spied on him in either case, and other than that I don't see anything in the text that suggests this was Morgoth's hope.
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(1) What trouble in Brethil are you referring to?
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Oh, I'm sorry.
It's from the HoME 11, The War of the Jewels. To put it very short: After Morwen died Húrin goes to Brethil, where his grief and his stubbornness trigger events that lead to the end of the descendants of Haleth.
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(2) I would have to think less of Thingol if one angry man is enough to change his view of an entire people, especially as Hurin at that point can't be said to be speaking for any of the Edain.
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Sure, from our point of view. But we're talking about Morgoth's one.
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(3) I do think pity is very relevant. If Morgoth is indeed relying on Hurin's anger as a 'weapon' then he miscalculates, failing to see that when confronted by the anger of a man who has lost everything, Thingol and Melian might see past that anger to the fact that he has lost everything.
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It is very relevant, I absolutely agree. And I think that Morgoth did miscalculate exactly that.