[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Everybody that directly mentioned her. (I'm using a search utility, so if I miss any, forgive me?)

Originally Posted by Rikae Post 26

Valier's contradiction of The Might seems too easy. The Might has taken one extreme, Valier the other - it seems almost scripted, and I don't like it - especially since Valier should know it isn't that simple (loud innocents seem to be the most typical Day 1 lynches.) It also continues the fruitless loud/quiet debate.

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Valier basically excuses herself from not participating in further discussion (I will be lurking around) and establishes herself as a slightly threatening figure (getting rid of the ones who have no excuse.) I can't say it doesn't look at least half wolfish.

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At this point, Valier and Nerwen seem somewhat dubious to me, but this is very preliminary

Originally Posted by Lil Post 30

Quote:
Originally Posted by Valier
I agree we need to keep an eye on quiet ones, I think it just really sucks when a person who is either always quiet or just has other priorities, is a wolf.

True again. But how is it possible to keep an eye on someone who never turns up?

Originally Posted by Nerwen Post 31

I agree with [Rikae], though, that Valier is sounding a little suspicious at the moment.

Originally Posted by Lommy Post 32

Quote:
Originally Posted by Valier
It is way easier for a Wolf to stay hidden by being loud and opinionated than it is to stay quiet and subdued.

I disagree. The more you talk, the more probably you make a slip or contradict yourself (trust me, I have enough experience of both being a loudmouth and of being a hopelessly poor wolf ).

Originally Posted by Legate Post 34

Now I also looked back at Valier's post and let me say only that she seems a little getting close to the contradicting - herself edge. I must say I will keep an eye out and hopefully she appears yet (from what she says it seems she will).

Originally Posted by Brinniel Post 35

I agree that Valier's two posts seem rather contradictory, but I'm not sure that's enough to form an actual suspicion. But I will be watching her closely.

Originally Posted by Lommy Post 36

I really can't get what's so suspicious about Valier. I think she seems quite normal. Besides I'd be sad to lose her early if she hasn't lost her incredible hunches and also because she hasn't played for a while. Actually, I might say a few words on that topic. Unless she, Kuru, Fea, Farael or morm do something really suspicious or there has to be made a choice between some of them and someone who seems more innocent, I'm reluctant to lynch them today. I won't, of course, be as merciful later, but I'd be very sad to see one of them go early since I haven't played with them for a long time.

Originally Posted by Volo Post 39

I agree with [Rikae] on Valier. She was the first person who gave out a Wolf-feeling while I was reading through the thread. There's not much to go on, but somehow both of us got the feeling that she might be a Wolf. The "lurking around" sounds nasty and somehow I have a feeling that the ones to give clear times when they can't play are Wolves.

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It seems that the suspicion is leaning to Valier. Maybe what she said was just badly phrased, but she's one of suspects too.

Originally Posted by Lil Post 41

Because of the continuous accusations on Valier, I read through her post again. Nothing too suspicious there, except maybe for this a little unnerving phrase: Quote:
Originally Posted by Valier
But sometimes getting rid of at least the ones who have no excuse for their quietness is best.

If Valier is a wolf, that would be a perfect guise. If, as a wolf, she finds nothing too "suspicious" about anyone, she can just rely on voting for a quiet person.
Otherwise I don't find Valier exceptionally wolf-ish. Besides, I have the impression that she is an experienced player. If so, she would probably not post a phrase like that as a wolf.

Originally Posted by Legate Post 45

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Originally Posted by Lilla Greenhand
If Valier is a wolf, that would be a perfect guise. If, as a wolf, she finds nothing too "suspicious" about anyone, she can just rely on voting for a quiet person.
Otherwise I don't find Valier exceptionally wolf-ish. Besides, I have the impression that she is an experienced player. If so, she would probably not post a phrase like that as a wolf.

*Notes down: if she and Valier are the wolves, this would be very good move. Keep in mind for further.*

Originally Posted by Lommy Post 47

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Originally Posted by ALG
If Valier is a wolf, that would be a perfect guise. If, as a wolf, she finds nothing too "suspicious" about anyone, she can just rely on voting for a quiet person.
Otherwise I don't find Valier exceptionally wolf-ish. Besides, I have the impression that she is an experienced player. If so, she would probably not post a phrase like that as a wolf.

I don't find anything particularly suspicious with that. I do it quite often regardless of my role.

Originally Posted by Volo Post 49

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Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc
*Notes down: if she and Valier are the wolves, this would be very good move. Keep in mind for further.*

Well, not good enough as it was spotted... Now this makes me want to lean to lynching Valier and finding out what she is. I'll try to take the feeling critically.

Originally Posted by Mac Post 50

Volo looks suspicious to me. First he criticises Rikae along the lines Legate did, but much stronger, then he agrees with her and conveniently jumps on the Valier-bandwaggon (#39).

Originally Posted by Lommy Post 57

seem innocent to me and Legate and Valier too (both are just gut-feelings and based on their normal-seeming behaviour), but to a lesser extent.

Originally Posted by Volo 58

I'm not happy with voting Valier, but I haven't found any better reasons to vote anybody else. I hope she will return before any bandwagons will take place.

Originally Posted by Rikae 64

I'm glad to see Kath has joined the discussion, and I don't see anything objectionable in her post.
It is difficult to say anything about Aganzir at this point, but I'd like to know her opinion on Valier.

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I do find Valier suspicious, and although I'd like the chance to play with her again (I think the only other game we had together was my first), there are good reasons not to vote for pretty much everyone on Day 1. What should we do, decide who's most "expendable" or who's most suspicious?

Originally Posted by Lil 72

Of Valier I am still very unsure. I'll be keeping an eye on her.

Originally Posted by Kuru 76

Valier is beginning to look a bit furry to me.

She seems unnecessarily defensive and then votes for Morm out of the blue on some...I'm not even sure "suspect suspicion" really adequately describes it.

Still I'm very reluctant to vote for her today.

Originally Posted by Rikae 77

I'm leaning toward giving Valier a chance to look guiltier, or more innocent toMorrow.

Originally Posted by Mac 88

Valier - her "lynch the quiet ones who have no excuse" is worrisome, but that's all I can find

Originally Posted by Brinn 89

I find Valier's vote to be a bit odd. Mainly because I can't see what's so suspicious about morm.

Originally Posted by Lommy 91

Quote:
Originally Posted by Valier
I will be lurking around most of the evening, reading what people have to say, before I make a decision on who to vote for.

I can see a wolf thinking this, but I can't see a wolf saying this. Thereby Valier leans more to the innocent side, if you ask me.

Even though: Quote:
Originally Posted by Valier
But please I beg you...give me more time to help this village out, I am sure my feelings eventually will lead us to at least one of our furry friends.

This seems a bit vulgar of her. Everybody who's played with her she knows she truly has incredible hunches, but that kind of self-advertisement seems slightly furry. But that is not enough to make me really suspect her, I'd just like to point it out.

Originally Posted by morm 95

Valier seems far too concerned trying to save herself. The way I understood her posts was that since I usually suspect her and have been sucessful in the past, for better and wose, at getting her lynched she better kill me off. The remaining posts seem to be designed to keep her alive, too much so for me to think her an ordo. Call in knee-jerk if you wish but she seems most suspicious based on that.

++Valier

Originally Posted by Fea 97

Speaking of that, and more importantly: because he voted for Valier and I don't think he should have,

++Morm

Originally Posted by Aganzir 99

Considering Valier herself, she looks quite neutral to me. However, if a certain person(s) turned out to be a wolf, I'd look at her very carefully.

Originally Posted by Brinn 101

I don't particularly like morm's retorting vote for Valier, but still, I don't think it's suspicious enough to lynch him.

Originally Posted by Mac 104

Good points by Lommy and morm against Valier. Still, I'd like to keep her around for at least one more day.

Originally Posted by Mac 106

I would prefer Nerwen over Valier.

Originally Posted by Volo 116

++Valier

explanation in next post.

Originally Posted by Volo 118

Valier's post #70 is a bit too desperate.

Originally Posted by Morm 119

Desparate is a good word to describe her Volo. Thank you.

Originally Posted by Menel 122

Moreover, his stated reason for voting Valier is that she might get him lynched if she doesn't die soon. That really doesn't sound good.

Valier and The Might have been described as two wolves that agreed to adopt different playing styles, and I would agree with Rikae's sentiment that their interaction early on appears "scripted" as she put it. However, I doubt Valier is a wolf if a were-morm is willing to put her life in jeopardy.

Originally Posted by morm 125

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Originally Posted by Meneltarmacil
Moreover, his stated reason for voting Valier is that she might get him lynched if she doesn't die soon. That really doesn't sound good.

Menel, I think you misunderstood. I stated that it seemed to me that she wanted to kill me because I suspect her on occasion and have been successful at getting her lynched in the past (for better or worse). You seem to have turned it around the other way...why?

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Menel
However, I doubt Valier is a wolf if a were-morm is willing to put her life in jeopardy.

When I'm killed and it is found that I am innocent what does that mean?

Originally Posted by Volo 129

Leaning Evil:
Legate of Amon Lanc
A Little Green
Valier
Rikae