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hi there everyone - I've just arrived here after my umpteenth blast and revisit to my Tolkien Tomes. I got back into it through the ever-vexing Ost In Edhil in Eregion - and I was rabidly seeking a *description* of this famous city, and, alas, thus far it has eluded me. It was The Second Prophesy of Mandos that I've always really really loved.
That's how I found you - greetings and Merry Christmas to you.
Some random thoughts before I go burrowing for quotes and excerpts. I've never had a problem with the inconsistencies in the 'fine print' as it were about the Second Prophesy. For example, recalling Turin to stand nigh Tulkas with Feanor - I would rely on the Spirit of Tolkienism, which, I seem to remember from somewhere in his memoirs or other, him talking about the importance of those mythological elements that cannot be easily squared, or that are discordant with the 'known' mythology. He was citing the mystery of Bombadil in that prose, pointing out the importance of it not being declared how on earth Tom fits into the mythology....he is an anomaly. And a deliberate one.
So - 'how does Turin return' if he went beyond the circles of the world - Eru is the final arbiter - and contravenor of all "Law" and "Lore" in Middle Earth. The Valar, by entering Arda bound themselves to its Laws and Lore. The free-will/fate paradox aside a moment - the "Intervention" theories can accommodate discrepancies.
I'd hazard a juxtaposition here - in Ainulindale - there are three moments when Illuvatar (not the Valar) rises up to silence Melkor and re-invigorate The Music with transformation and Healing. I've always wondered if the Third Intervention was at the end of the world.
I read somewhere that the battle was so great that the earth broken (again) and the Simarils released. Delivered unto Yavanna, who *broke* them, spilling their light on Ezellohar, rekindling the trees.
So (to respond to a post upstream) - why didn't they do that when Earendil came into the West - well, I'd hazard that Mandos (the Keeper for the First and Second Prophesies) forbade it, for the timing of it. One could imagine many ways of reconciling that difficulty.
And it has always seemed right - and in the Spirit of Tolkienism - that those most grievously harmed by Morgoth's Darkness, or those most heroic against its struggle, they get 'exemptions', a-la Frodo and Bildo. And Turin is the mega-persecuted Mortal. One wonders why Morgoth was so fixated by him, and could imagine his deep seated fear of Turin's role in his final end....
I rant
nice to meet u all
warm regards
stav
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