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Old 03-17-2008, 03:32 AM   #28
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#2 The White Council's Members

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Originally Posted by Gordis View Post
Also, as I have just read the thread, I noticed a mistake in the first post:
Actually rhadagastly proposed Gildor (Inglorion) not Galdor. Galdor, indeed, seems to be a mere envoy of Cirdan, but Gildor was Lord of the Noldor, a Calaquendi Elf, normally dwelling in Rivendell. I think he was on the White Council.
Oh, I see I must have misread it back then. Anyway, even concerning Gildor... he was a Noldo, that's true, but that does not automatically mean he was on the Council. He does not seem to me to be much of the "Council type". Remember it was an "organisation" of rather "political" nature, so to say. Gildor, at least to me, did not seem to be the type of a person who'd meddle into institutions such as this. To go and watch the stars, to make a pilgrimage to the White Towers and look at the Sea, to sing to Elbereth, but in the Council, he would say "yes" and "no" on everything... (although that actually would be an argument for his presence. He would be one of those hesitating who'd eventually help Saruman by not saying their opinion aloud, or not holding to it).

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Originally Posted by Gordis
I suppose you have to be a Calaquendi Elf to ride against a nazgul. Glorfindel alone took the most probable road, but two more Elf lords were sent north and South. Here are 2 more guys for the White Council.
True. But once again, being a powerful Calaquendi does not equate being in the Council. It would need to be judged depending on who these two (or more) were as individuals. Surely not every powerful warrior needed to be in the White Council (quite the opposite). And personally I don't think the Council had more than, let's say, ten members (cca). It was no Roman Senate.

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Originally Posted by Nazgūl-king
I always thought all five of the Istari were on the White Council.
Well, even if we relativised the quote suggesting that only Saruman and Gandalf were there, at least with Alatar and Pallando there will be the problem that they might have disappeared to the East before the Council was ever formed in the first place; and that's very likely. Had the Council existed by the time they left to the East, it will be probably the Council that would have sent them. But as far as we know, it was Saruman's ("wilful") act. It's also possible some "proto-council" had their hands in sending them to the East, but from how I read it, it seems to me indeed more like a "private" action. In any case, I believe the two were not in any Council, simply because it did not yet exist when they were still around (although I'm sure they would have been in it if they had the chance).
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