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Gordis · 03-23-2008, 03:31 AM

I also like this thread. So many interesting questions.

#1 Did the Wise really, personally, come to Dol Guldur?
I guess Saruman was in charge + Gandalf + some armed Elves, led quite likely by Glorfindel, - yes, Gloin. (for Glorfindel used to be the one who had led the combined forces of Lorien and Rivendell to the battle against Angmar back in 1975)

#2 Who was actually in the White Council?
I think in full it may have counted up to 12-15 members, some of whom (like Gildor and Radagast) had long lost interest in politics and rarely attended. Elves, after all, became more and more disinterested in temporal matters.
IMO, for sure there were: Saruman, Gandalf, Galadriel, Celeborn, Elrond, Cirdan, Glorfindel. Likely :Erestor + a couple Calaquendi from Rivendell, Gildor Inglorion, Radagast.

#3 Were they all there in Dol Guldur, or someone stayed home?
Most stayed home, I think. I guess it were only Saruman + Gandalf + Glorfindel leading the army who crossed the River. It might also explain why Dol Guldur was not destroyed after it was taken. Saruman was always most interested not only in Ring-lore but in other "foul crafts and devices of the Enemy". Likely he wished to search Dol Guldur thoroughly on his own.

#4 Were they all alone in the forest, or did they bring an armed force with them?
They did, I think.
#5 If they did, whom did they bring? An Elvish commando from Lórien, or something else?
Yes, an Elvish army from Lorien + maybe some Elves from Rivendell. No Thranduil's subjects, no Men.

#6 Was there actually any battle? Did Sauron flee before the attack, or during it?
I think Sauron fled before the battle. I think he saw them crossing the River. He may have had the Palantir already, if the Witch-King were kind enough to send it to Sauron before the latter returned to Mordor. Anyway, he had his Eye and he undoubtedly had scouts watching the river.

#7 How the battle looked like?
I think Lorien army approached, killing some orcs not fast enough to flee, then Saruman "put forth his strength" singing some incantations, but found no opposition. The fortress was empty. They entered, but Saruman told them not to touch a thing.

03-23-2008, 03:31 AM	#19
Gordis Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Minas Morgul Posts: 431	I also like this thread. So many interesting questions. #1 Did the Wise really, personally, come to Dol Guldur? I guess Saruman was in charge + Gandalf + some armed Elves, led quite likely by Glorfindel, - yes, Gloin. (for Glorfindel used to be the one who had led the combined forces of Lorien and Rivendell to the battle against Angmar back in 1975) #2 Who was actually in the White Council? I think in full it may have counted up to 12-15 members, some of whom (like Gildor and Radagast) had long lost interest in politics and rarely attended. Elves, after all, became more and more disinterested in temporal matters. IMO, for sure there were: Saruman, Gandalf, Galadriel, Celeborn, Elrond, Cirdan, Glorfindel. Likely :Erestor + a couple Calaquendi from Rivendell, Gildor Inglorion, Radagast. #3 Were they all there in Dol Guldur, or someone stayed home? Most stayed home, I think. I guess it were only Saruman + Gandalf + Glorfindel leading the army who crossed the River. It might also explain why Dol Guldur was not destroyed after it was taken. Saruman was always most interested not only in Ring-lore but in other "foul crafts and devices of the Enemy". Likely he wished to search Dol Guldur thoroughly on his own. #4 Were they all alone in the forest, or did they bring an armed force with them? They did, I think. #5 If they did, whom did they bring? An Elvish commando from Lórien, or something else? Yes, an Elvish army from Lorien + maybe some Elves from Rivendell. No Thranduil's subjects, no Men. #6 Was there actually any battle? Did Sauron flee before the attack, or during it? I think Sauron fled before the battle. I think he saw them crossing the River. He may have had the Palantir already, if the Witch-King were kind enough to send it to Sauron before the latter returned to Mordor. Anyway, he had his Eye and he undoubtedly had scouts watching the river. #7 How the battle looked like? I think Lorien army approached, killing some orcs not fast enough to flee, then Saruman "put forth his strength" singing some incantations, but found no opposition. The fortress was empty. They entered, but Saruman told them not to touch a thing.