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the phantom · 01-05-2003, 11:07 PM

Being Valar doesn't put them in a different class than Maia, it's merely denoting their position, or their job. Both Valar and Maia are considered Ainu, that's their race. We know that the Valar are Ainu. We also know that Ainu can be killed (balrogs). Therefore one of the Valar could be killed also.

If a being becomes too attached to its incarnate form, then it can be slain. Sauron didn't die when his body was destroyed because he had the ring to anchor him to the world. Balrogs had no such anchor to bring them back, so when the physical bodies they bound themselves to were stabbed, smashed, or somehow killed, then their spirits die.

Apparantly Melkor becomes a little too attached to his physical incarnation and is open to being killed. Plus, remember that Gurthang was a magic sword (it actually talked once, so it has some sort of extra spiritual power), and it was said at its forging that nothing it bit could live. That would include Melkor.

[ January 06, 2003: Message edited by: the phantom ]

01-05-2003, 11:07 PM	#10
the phantom Beloved Shadow Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: The Stadium Posts: 5,971	Being Valar doesn't put them in a different class than Maia, it's merely denoting their position, or their job. Both Valar and Maia are considered Ainu, that's their race. We know that the Valar are Ainu. We also know that Ainu can be killed (balrogs). Therefore one of the Valar could be killed also. If a being becomes too attached to its incarnate form, then it can be slain. Sauron didn't die when his body was destroyed because he had the ring to anchor him to the world. Balrogs had no such anchor to bring them back, so when the physical bodies they bound themselves to were stabbed, smashed, or somehow killed, then their spirits die. Apparantly Melkor becomes a little too attached to his physical incarnation and is open to being killed. Plus, remember that Gurthang was a magic sword (it actually talked once, so it has some sort of extra spiritual power), and it was said at its forging that nothing it bit could live. That would include Melkor. [ January 06, 2003: Message edited by: the phantom ] __________________ the phantom has posted. This thread is now important.