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Originally Posted by Rune Son of Bjarne

If one can reason witha creature like the watcher, then there is nothing speaking against your theory.

It should be obvious that one can reason with such a creature. It was stationed to guard the west gate of Moria, when surely it would have chosen a more fruitful path to trap (i.e. no Dwarves for 30 years!). One doesn't subsist on holly berries alone...and it had the wit to attack Frodo Ringbearer first, knowing that it too could be a Ringlord if it claimed the Ring.

"I will flood all of Middle Earth and make it a large pond. All will bow down to me and drown in despair (and all of that water)!"

And just what was the origin of said Watcher? Melkor can mock, not create, and so to make a Watcher, he started with a Washer of the Water, which was a cheery creature that would scrub the undersides of Elven boats that they might not mar or stain the beaches or docks of fair Avallónë.

The thing is that we have absolutely no reason to think that there was such a creature, if there was then it would have been mentioned. I am absolute confident that if they brought down the bridge in some amazing or elaborate way, then it would have made the story.

Whoa there. Everyone's been positing a way to bring down a long large wooden bridge, and yet the mechanism is not defined. How does anyone therefore know conclusively how it was done? Have I violated any of the text? Surely the Master and only a few others knew of the creature and of its special role in the last defense of the town, as we all know that treachery has sunk more than one city. And if you had a Watcher under your bridge, would you tell everyone? Bad for trade and all that.

Surely Tolkien didn't take the time to detail the creature or the mechanism as it would have slowed the story and all. There's that pacing thing.

Since we are not told about it on has to assume that it was done in a relatively normal and uninteresting way. . . as I said before: Bridges are often thrown down, just because a bridge looks solid it does not mean that it has to take a very long time.

But how fun of a discussion does that make for? On the other hand, being too silly, as the above, may make the thread uninteresting as well.

We know that the bridge Turin let build was impossible to destroy in a hurry as it was hughe and made of stone, much unlike the bridge if Esgaroth. Their bridge was wooden and seemingly not amazingly big, Actually the fact that Tolkien points out that the bridge over the Narog is difficult to tear down, sugest that normally throwing down a bridge was not very difficult.

If only Turin et al had Trolls, or Giants, with lasers...