Drummer in the Deep
Join Date: Feb 2003
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Gwath - Day One
Day One -
Gwath's first post mentions how he dislikes first days.
Nogrod jumps on this statement, says it's wolvish, calls lawyers useless.
Nogrod groups Lhuna & Oddwen with Gwath for the same reason as Gwath.
Lhuna calls Gwath a "guilty lawyer"
Gwath replies to Nogrod's suspicion of Oddwen with the defense "she is just mimicking me", calls repeating everyone "a safe move" - he says Nogrod "took no convincing whatsoever" that Gwath's post was wolvish, that Nogrod is either innocent as Lhuna said or a wolf. He leans toward Nogrod being innocent. Gwath says he likes Lhuna's lists, providing they are factual and not personal. He calls Legate "reasonable and impenetrable", but doesn't know what to make of him, and doesn't like Legate's gut feelings (towards Mith and Nogrod) calling them "too easy a basis for suspicion, and requires no actual evidence". He says "his other posts don't depend on "honest gut feelings", so maybe he's alright."
Oddwen questions Nogrod's grouping of herself with Gwath, calls the grouping of she, Gwath & Lhuna "hasty".
Oddwen replies to Gwath's assumption that she was repeating everyone else with a joke.
Legate says Gwath's post makes him feel uneasy, but feels that his opinion on Lhuna's list is "okay", says Lhuna's list are "statement of fact", but still could be twisted subtly. Legate wonders what Gwath sees as "reasonable" in his earlier posts, wonders if this is wolvish. Legate goes on to place Gwath in his "yellow zone", says that he "used to be worse...from an observer point".
Lommy feels there's something wrong, especially with Gwath & Legate, she replies to their discussion of Lhuna's list, calling them more "joking" than "helpful", nothing wrong with that, playfully says Gwath & Legate err in seeing it differently than she, calls their views "limited if not false". She finds Legate looks worse than Gwath, but finds Gwath calling Legate "reasonable" suspicious, as Legate does. She must think, but is watching those two, as is everyone else.
Nogrod agrees with Lommy about "Lhuna['s list]& the guys", thinks Legate & Gwath place too much importance on them. He says his suspicions from earlier on Gwath hasn't made Gwath look better, finding him "too verbiose", he feels better about Oddwen, doesn't know what to make of Lhuna.
Lhuna cannot imagine why Gwath would want her to only stick to facts, says if she had he should have been worried because that's something a wolf could hide behind, something a wolf could do safely to avoid incriminating themselves. She has an "honest gut feeling" that Gwath could be "sucking up" to Legate, calling it "quite a strategy" if Gwath was a wolf and Legate innocent. She says she'll vote for Nogrod, Gwath or Nerwen.
Aganzir doesn't find Gwath's "first-days-are-rubbish" post suspicious, says her first post wasn't constructive either but she wasn't suspicionated as were Oddwen and Lhuna. She asks why saying that makes one suspicious, asks if it's always wolves trying to contribute, asks if it's the same as suspecting the silent. She sarcastically says that it doesn't matter since Oddwen Gwath & Lhuna are wolves and she is the cobbler defending them from Nogrod. She finds Gwath suspicious because of similar behavior from other games where he was a wolf, calls Gwath calling Legate "reasonable" trying to gain an ally early. She says that Gwath saying "if there's anything a wolf cannot afford to be, it is irrational...But don't give me reason to think otherwise."[to Nogrod] makes her think that two fellow wolves pre-decided to not suspect each other.
Lhuna votes for Gwath, because he's the suspect that she "can defend from myself the least" (?). She wishes to give Nerwen more chance to speak, she calls Nogrod "always argumentative", though not always argumentatively sound. She says she's not played with Gwath before and doesn't know if this is how he usually is.
Nogrod replies to Aganzir's question about his first-day-hater-suspicion with the revelation that he was using it as "bait'. He called Gwath's reaction to it suspicious as he felt Gwath was reacting wolvishly. He calls Oddwen's reaction "Oddwenish", he says that that is no argument as wolves would try to be as normal as possible, he feels she is innocent. He feels that Lhuna "creeps me out", says she doesn't respond to his suspicions, wonders if her suspicion of him "without stating any reason" is retaliation, or wolvish. He calls Agan's opposition to the suspiciousness of Gwath good, as Gwath has been mentioned as suspicious and wolves generally latch onto existing suspicion. He says that Legate and Lhuna appear to be following suspicion in regards to Gwath, he wonders if it's genuine or if it's wolvish.
Lommy lists her suspicion level on everyone, she says that she doesn't suspect Gwath, Legate or Oddwen more than anyone else. She says that none of them strike her as particularly suspicious, she would be hesitant to vote for them on those grounds. She feels she would be following other's suspicions and not because she thought they were wolves. She fears grasping at imaginary straws.
Nerwen calls Lhuna's vote for Gwath "too easy". She doesn't like the look of Gwathagor, she feels he just chimes in with everybody, as she is doing here herself. She says that he always does.
Kath feels Gwath "gives the sentiments of most", thinks his thoughts on Legate are wild. She thinks Lhuna's vote for Gwath was "fair reasoning". Mentions Nerwen's suspicion of Gwath, Lhuna Legate Nog or Mith. She calls Nogrod's reaction to Gwath, Oddwen, Lhuna's first posts "kneejerk". She mentions Lommy's reaction to Legate & Gwath's reaction to Lhuna's list. She places Gwath, Legate, Nogrod, Lommy on her "guilty" list. She is tempted to vote either Legate or Gwath because they "argue themselves in circles" and delaying, votes for Legate because he argues with everyone.
(Gah, this is a list of a list!)
Gwath replies to Nerwen's accusation that he chimes in, says he doesn't think he does. He's glad she realizes she's suspicious, sarcastically calls it a ploy to avert further suspiciousness, he says she's chiming in with Nogrod. Gwath replies to Aganzir's thought that wolves don't plan much, calls it "far out", wonders if she's serious or throwing everyone off.
Aganzir replies to Nogrod's approval of her reluctance to go along with the common suspicion of Gwath, says she suspects Gwath but not for the reason Nogrod does.
Legate replies to Lommy's pairing of he and Gwath on the Lhuna-list issue, he says he wasn't agreeing with Gwath that they were helpful, says he was actually talking about Gwath, saying Gwath's interpretation of Lhuna's lists seemed logical. Says he was agreeing with Gwath's assessment, not with Gwath himself. He calls Gwath in the yellow, but doesn't quite want to vote for him because he'd rather vote for someone who hasn't contributed much, top of that list is Oddwen. Says we can always lynch Gwath tomorrow. Legate thinks Lhuna's voting for Gwath is good because she's not going after Legate, her supporter, but he still finds her slightly suspicious.
Aganzir questions Gwath's question about her question about wether wolves plan, asking what he didn't understand.
Gwath doesn't like the "myths" that have sprung up around him, he says he doesn't chime in with people, says he's not trying to flatter Legate, says that Legate does seem rational and that he's a "sucker for rational arguments". (No myth #3?) Says he's not been arguing in circles with Legate, that he's mentioned Legate once. He's suspicious of everyone.
Nogrod thinks Gwath is suspicious based on arguments, thinks he's suspicious in himself, not in with someone else.
Aganzir thinks that the suspicions of Gwath based on him saying Legate is rational is strange because she doesn't think Legate seemed rational.
Legate responds to Kath's thougths on himself, thinks she and Gwath might be fellow wolves but that that might be overcomplicating her meaning.
Legate responds to Gwath's Legate-is-rational thought with the explanation that he himself didn't think he was rational. Legate replies to the Gwath-and-Legate-are-arguing-alot theory with the theory that whoever started that is suspicious (Lhuna?).
Nogrod feels that Gwath's "myths" are fairly reasonable. Nogrod says that unlike Gwath & Nerwen, he was included in Lhuna's suspicion list without a conclusive argument.
Gwath doesn't like the way Nogrod directs suspicion, calls him "controlling" and "master-wolf". He feels Lhuna's vote for him is "flippant". He feels Volo's self-vote is more wolvish than innocent. He suspects Volo, Nogrod and Lhuna. He wants to hear more from the quiet ones.
Gwath mistakes the times, votes for Lhuna, thinking it's the last minute? Says he won't vote for Volo because he needs more evidence, threatens tomorrow.
Gwath apologizes for his wrong time.
Aganzir asks Gwath to answer an earlier question of hers, says he's gotten by in the past by ignoring questions. Says she'll vote Legate, Gwath or Lhuna.
Gwath answers Aganzir's question, he thinks that it's silly to think that wolves don't plan because they have a whole day.
Aganzir acknowledges Gwath's answer.
Lommy thinks Legate overreacted to the Lhuna-Gwath thing? She thinks Gwath looks a little more innocent.
Nogrod agrees with Gwath regarding Volo seeking to be obviously innocent without incriminating himself with a vote for another with his self-vote. Nogrod says that someone accompanying his own arguments to be extremely suspicious, Gwath's not getting anywhere with his flattery. Oh yeah, and Elf-Warrior, just because you think I'm innocent, that's not getting you anywhere either! Even if Gwath agrees with me about the suspiciousness of Volo and Lhuna!
Aganzir says it doesn't matter to her wether it's Legate, Lhuna or Gwath gets lynched, they're all equally suspicious to her.
Aganzir changes her statement, she says Lhuna's death would give the most insight (ha!) feeling that it would shed light on the alignment of Volo, Legate or Gwath.
Legate would rather not vote Gwath that Day, since Gwath started looking "better", but he expresses doubt about that as well.
Gwath replies to Aganzir's musings on wolves and planning, saying her point is that people tend to over-analyze.
Lommy says that of the people garnering votes, she would rather see Gwath go - though he seems no guiltier than anyone else.
Lommy votes for Gwath, for being "slightly fishy/unreasonable", not because he's any more suspicious to her.
Lhuna dies.
Edit: x-ed since Lommy
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But all the while I sit and think of times there were before
I listen for returning feet and voices at the door
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