[Folwren]

I wouldn't say that Javan almost lost to Garmund and Cnebba! Garmund's bigger than he is, to begin with, and they were two against one anyway.

Javan may know archery. I've never incorporated that, though. He is the son of a land holder and his father farms. However, at that time, his father probably also knew how to fight, so Javan may have learned something. Archery (on horse back particularly, which the Eorlings knew) is fastinating to me and I would love it. Not to mention, if someone were to learn, the earlier they learned the better. On the other hand, would Garstan and Stigend (and Eodwine, too, for that matter) trust Javan with the two younger boys with bows and arrows?

How long term do they want to do this? We can say that Javan knows the basics of raising a garden...or any crop. To give fair warning, since I personally dislike gardening with something of a passion, Javan probably won't like it, either. *little whistling face, with his eyes rolling up towards the sky*

On how it would all turn out... I think it would be most interesting if they didn't get along together very well at first and then, eventually, got to like each others companies and became very close...but almost in a different way than Garmund and Cnebba became close. Maybe more like and older brother type relationship? I kind of have an idea of one scenerio that could bring that about, but I'll have to think more on it before submitting it.

Okay, now about Thornden during the talk...he'd too be greatly ashamed about Javan's behavior, likely more so than the parents, and would immediately express that Javan behaved badly, even though he was provoked.

Now...Nogrod...you've actually had kids...this is something of a tough situation for me, who can only speculate on what it's like to have kids. Who's fault was it, really? The first time (the fist fight), I think Javan really didn't have a whole lot of choices. The second time (the disagreement over the tents and the canopy, etc.), well...I don't know. Thoughts? Anyone - not just Noggy?

I've got to run. May be back later this evening, I don't know.

-- Foley