[Rikae]

Originally Posted by Aganzir

On day 1 Rikae accuses Kitanna of her vote (which, I agree, was suspicious), but ends up voting for Nerwen herself. I wonder indeed what made her vote for her over her top suspects - the only thing she had posted between Rikae's list and vote was an "I'm back" post (since Rikae xed with her other post). However Rikae's vote tied Mith and Nerwen, both wolves, and I don't know what to make of that. Was Mith or Rikae the one turned on night 3, or had the wolves agreed on suspecting one another? Well, all of us alive suspected Nerwen at some point, and also Boro the wolf was all for voting her on day 2.

So basically, I voted for a wolf, but that doesn't make me look more innocent. OK, fair enough, but it also doesn't make me look more guilty.
And, as I said to Kitanna, I don't make lists so I can follow them like a robot. I don't remember exactly, but I think I had reflected more on the matter at that point, and thought Nerwen looked worse.because of her Nilp/Form/Agan thing.

Originally Posted by Aganzir

Rikae was one of the main contributors in EW's lynching. A perfect case - suspect someone from the beginning, but vote for him also because of being unhepful. That's a sure way to start a bandwagon, against an innocent in this case.

I made a case against the best suspect I had at the time. I can't control who follows me. It's funny you talk about me starting bandwagons, though, when you've participated in one of "my bandwagons" yourself.

Originally Posted by Aganzir

On day 4 Rikae found both Boro and Mith innocent. Other than that, she doesn't speak about them too much.

At the time, I thought the most suspicious thing going on was the way people were narrowing the choices based on Durelin's posts, which didn't seem to reveal much to me.
Any time too many people agree, I tend to suspect there's conspiracy involved.

Originally Posted by Aganzir

And then she calls my seizing on a single word or phrasing forced?

*shrug*
I said it was minor.

Originally Posted by Aganzir

I think people have got so used to wolf-on-wolf votes that it just makes sense that Rikae said she won't vote for Mith (or Shasta either) on day 4.

I didn't say "I won't vote for Mith (or Shasta either)." I said I didn't like the choices narrowed to them and probably wouldn't vote for either because the narrowing of the field itself looked suspicious.
I don't see what this has to do with wolf-on-wolf votes.

Originally Posted by Aganzir

Somehow Rikae has had the ability to start bandwagons in this game, and her Form bandwagon almost saved Mith.

Thanks to you and the cobbler...
Do you honestly think I knew, or intended, that it would become a bandwagon? I was looking for Form's reaction. Why should other people follow my gut feelings (unless those other people are wolves trying to save a fellow)?

Originally Posted by Aganzir

She made a post analysing how Mith and Shasta became the main candidates for that day's lynch, and concluded by saying she can't shake off the feeling there's something fishy. So, both defending a fellow wolf and threatening those who suspect her.

Well, that kind of goes with the territory, doesn't it? If some people don't look suspicious to one, those who suspect them appear to have little reason, and therefore look suspicious themselves.

Originally Posted by Aganzir

She found Kit and Nog the most suspicious, and told us not to discount the possibility that Eomer was the cobbler instead of hunter. I don't see a reason why the real hunter should be lying low and watching how the cobbler pretending to be a known innocent has everybody trusting him. Besides then the cobbler would risk the wolves wasting a kill on him, which is not quite what he wants. But what a better way to make people feel they cannot completely trust a known innocent?

I suppose you're right about that. I didn't think of that at the time. As I've said, I get nervous when too many people agree. Wolves tend to be hesitant about killing hunters, anyway.

Originally Posted by Aganzir

And then she accuses people who followed her vote?

Absolutely, as I've explained many, many times. If I recall correctly, you still haven't given a reason (besides "feeling") that you helped tie Form with Mith. I cast the first vote for Form and had no reason to think anyone would follow it. After all, I didn't exactly "make a case" against him. I had a hunch, and wanted to see how he'd act under pressure.

Originally Posted by Aganzir

Looks like a nice wolf tactic - try to save her fellow by appealing to others to vote for Form, and when Mith ends up being lynched accuse the other Form-voters. Rikae has been good at starting bandwagons but not taking responsibility for them; see for example her post the next day:

An initial vote, without even an analysis, is not "starting a bandwagon", however you slice it. I am not psychic.
As for taking responsibility, I apologized. What else do you want? That I continue suspecting Form even though the events at the day's end and over night have made him look innocent (as I just explained in my post to Kitanna)?

Originally Posted by Aganzir

She finds me suspicious because of voting for Form and that "little exchange about grinning",

That little exchange with the spammer, which is one of the examples of the "gloating" I mentioned earlier.

Originally Posted by Aganzir

and suggests both Shasta and I are wolves. She's also pretty quick to dismiss the possibility that Form was a wolf - maybe it was easier for her to find him innocent after he had started suspecting her?

Actually, I tend to have a bad habit of finding people guilty when they start suspecting me. It was because (for the 4th time), Mith was a wolf, Sally the spammer, and you, Sally and Shasta followed my vote out of the blue and without explanation.
If I had actually made a case aganst Form, or if you or somebody else had, if your votes had made sense and not come out of the blue, if they hadn't almost saved a wolf, I wouldn't find them suspicious.

Originally Posted by Aganzir

Seemingly Shasta just preferred to vote for Form. Maybe because he found Mith innocent? And since Shasta was not a wolf, that thing about me doesn't work, either.

Hindsight's 20/20, isn't it? Obviously Shasta voted for Form innocently, as he was innocent, but that was hardly obvious at the time.
Your being a wolf doesn't depend on Shasta being a wolf (especially not now). Your vote was still suspicious.

Originally Posted by Aganzir

Like I already said, I had to leave because of RL reasons, and I wouldn't lie about it even if I was a wolf. And by the way, I didn't encourage you to look into my Kitanna case more, but people's interactions with Nerwen and Mith, which I believe might have been useful.

I wouldn't lie about RL reasons either. The most I would say is "I'm leaving, I'll be back later". Just to clear that up, since you seem to have been insinuating, since I suspected you first, that I claimed I would.
You encouraged us, if I recall correctly, to look into "it" more after making a case against Kitanna.

Originally Posted by Aganzir

Would Rikae have chosen me to be a wolf in DW if she really thought I would be that apparent?

If I thought everything apparent to me was apparent to everyone, I wouldn't bother posting at all.

Originally Posted by Aganzir

Then she votes for me after Shasta's reveal - based on that grinning thing. By then it's clear Shasta and I can't be fellow wolves, which was one of the reasons for Rikae to suspect us. And quite honestly, if Shasta was a wolf and knew he would be under much pressure, wouldn't it have been useful if he had come out as the ranger in order to reveal the real one? Say Rikae what she will, it takes a coolheaded ranger to not instantly reveal someone's claim a fake.

Hm? So when one of my two top suspects revealed as a ranger, I was supposed to vote for him rather than for the other one? Sure, gifted reveals can be false, but false gifteds will eventually be found - one doesn't generally lynch a newly revealed gifted.
I already suspected you more than Shasta after my analysis of him, anyway.

Originally Posted by Aganzir

She seems a bit... I don't know what's a good word, upset? that suddenly others don't seem to suspect me anymore. Her vote for me looks like she was trying to start a bandwagon again, and now, all of a sudden, it doesn't look so likely that I will be lynched.

You were the most wolfish person in sight. Of course I wanted to lynch you.

Originally Posted by Aganzir

It looks like she said that because she couldn't come up with anything else but had to say something. Do you really think the wolves would have been so busy elsewhere that they would have forgotten their known innocent?

It looks like you're saying that because you can't come up with anything else. It was what I was thinking at the time. Why shouldn't I say it? Why should I say anything?

Originally Posted by Aganzir

On day 8 she says Eomer's death makes me look more innocent - no one else is really suspecting me at that point, and I guess she doesn't want me to suspect her because of suspecting me.

Ha. I'm not afraid of you (sorry if that hurts your pride).
I didn't want to lynch an innocent, and Eomer's death did make you look innocent (now that I'm nearly certain you're a wolf, I have to compliment you on the boldness of that move).

Originally Posted by Aganzir

She also finds Kitanna suspicious, and has a case on Nog, who hasn't been suspected very much. Yes, it's dangerous not to pay attention to someone this late in the game, but yesterday I couldn't shake off the feeling of a wolf trying to get a dangerous player lynched.

Anyone who makes a case against Nogrod is called that. Comes with the territory. Leaving Nogrod unlooked at at that point in the game would have been crazy.

Originally Posted by Aganzir

She had been suspecting me heavily (though with pretty few reasons), and now that it suited her current case, she was buddying up to me, trying to have me vote for Nogrod.

Actually, I had more reasons to suspect you than I usually have to suspect anyone in any game. I really thought yesterDay you were unlikely to be a wolf, but obviously I was wrong.

Originally Posted by Aganzir

She would have preferred to lynch Nogrod or Kitanna, and leave Eönwë (the most inexperienced player, who therefore might be easier to convince than the older ones) and me (who has been pretty wrong about everyone but Nerwen) alive.

I also thought Eonwe was unlikely to be a wolf, for reasons I gave. You apparently thought so too, but voted for him anyway - something you still haven't adequately explained.
With four people to choose from and previous events making two look innocentish, I'm going to look more at the remaining two - surprise surprise.

Originally Posted by Aganzir

And now today she's suspecting me again. Because Kitanna hasn't really suspected me and she knew she would be dead if she couldn't make her feel uncomfortable about me?

edit: xed with four Rikaes

Um, I just took a look at Kitanna and it seems she's been suspecting you for some time, actually.
I can't believe you accuse me of trying to buddy up to Kitanna.

Originally Posted by Aganzir

Based on a bad feeling, the reasons of which are hopefully explained in my case against you.

Nope, I'm afraid it wasn't. The only case you've made is that my reasoning has not always been perfect and I am not psychic.

Originally Posted by Aganzir

I care about voting for you. Even if Kitanna doesn't and we lose, I can at least take comfort in being right.

In that case, you will lose, but at least you can take comfort in being the last wolf standing.

I think I'll also make note of the fact that it's interesting, to say the least, that Aganzir is so certain about me yet still hasn't cast her vote.

Well, it's up to you now, Kitanna. Choose well.

++Aganzir

EDIT: X'd with Aganzir, obviously.