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Old 08-03-2008, 11:00 PM   #15
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Originally Posted by Man-of-the-Wold
An unspoken undercurrent is that Elrond and the other remnants of the Eldar had done their part over the previous thousands of years and had other concerns. They in effect did not live in the present, even if not actually in the past. Rivendell was a very special and powerful place, which had been pivotal in the Ring's coming into the hands of persons least capable of being corrupted by it or attracting attention, and in assisting and protecting those Ringbearers. It was not their part to push the envelope of destiny and fortune.

I think it is telling that Legolas represented Elves, and though of at least partially Sindarin heritage, he was indeed more representative of those East/Wood-elves (with some Nandor-Sindar influence) who still played a significant role in the more everyday affairs of the N.W. of Middle-Earth in terms of numbers and at least continuing culture.

Elrond may have been reluctant to insert himself or Imladris into what had become a world of mortals. Perhaps, they might have played a small role along with Rangers, who stayed behind, in terms of containing orkish threats out of the Misty Mountain or of aiding Lothlorien or the Beornings.
Excellent points, MotW, and very pertinent to the subject. As an additional perspective on Elrond, there have been lengthy discussions in the past here (and elsewhere) regarding elvish healers not participating in battle due to warriors' extravagant use of their hroa (body) at the expense of their fea (spirit) -- the fea of a healer being integral in the healing of others. Points have been made that Elrond eschewed battle after the Last Alliance of Elves and Men to devote himself totally to loremastery and became the greatest healer of the 3rd Age.

In addition, although Elrond would never have been a member of the Fellowship (anymore than Galadriel or Celeborn would), he gave permission for his sons, Elladan and Elrohir, to join Aragorn for the climactic battles of the War of the Ring. If you consider what Elrond stood to lose (the possible deaths of one or both of his sons in battle, and the irrevocable sundering of Arwen if Aragorn became king), then I believe it is safe to say that Elrond certainly 'paid his dues' as a father and leader in the War of the Ring.

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It is that in the Legendarium, the elves have had their chance. They were weighed in the balance and found wanting and now are diminishing. The important aspect of the Third Age is how the focus shifts from the first born to the next born, men. Hence, Man-of-the-Wold's choice of title for his post. A fellowship comprised in the majority by men--and hobbits are men--even one that breaks-- provides for this shift. It is the chronological development of the coming of men that makes this fellowship rather than an elven fellowship meaningful. Furthermore, Elves would have made the alliance between Rohan and Gondor less significant and less strategic. The elves, after all, failed to destroy the Ring in the past. Why would they necessarily be more successful this time?
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This is a good response which shows deep understanding and organisation. However, the lore and power of Elrond was sorely needed in Minas Tirith at the uttermost end of need prior to the siege of Gondor. His coming would have renewed hope to Gondor. We may have even seen an army of elves or high elves follow him to Gondor at the eleventh hour, as in the Two Towers film in Helm's Deep.
The Elves already had their part to play in the War of the Ring (the forces of Thranduil and Celeborn were in a desperate fight against Sauron's eastern legions), and I feel with a degree of certainty that the Noldorin enclave in Rivendell had diminished population-wise to the point where open battle was no longer an option, and sending an 'army' anywhere was not possible, as there were perhaps sufficient enough numbers to man (or elf) the walls of Imladris in case of a final, desperate siege, but that's about it.

The Noldorin Elves had been decimated over the previous two ages of continuous wars against Morgoth, then Sauron. Eregion was sacked and many there had been massacred, and then came the Last Alliance when Gil-Galad, the last Noldorin High King, and many of his retinue fell. In striking parallel to the Dunedain, the Noldor did not crown a king after Gil-Galad's fall (much like the Dunedain had only chieftains after Arvedui's death). The most logical reason is there were just not enough Noldor left to bother with such titles. Add to that the number of Noldor who were yearly departing for the Undying Lands, and there you have it: it is significant that Elrond was known as the Master of the Last Homely House, and not the High King of a vast army of Noldor, ready to march on an embattled Gondor after taking a side-trip to Helm's Deep to crush Saruman's forces.

In any event, as we can see in hindsight, sending a Fellowship of primarily Elves (or primarily Dunedain, for that matter) would have failed miserably. The Hobbits -- unobtrusive, loyal, and yes, simple -- were the key factor in the destruction of the Ring. Neither the otherwordly power of Glorfindel nor a valorous host of Noldor could have gotten into Mordor in the roundabout and surreptitious manner in which the Hobbits did, nor would there be much of a possibility of a high-born Noldor befriending a creature like Gollum, who proved to be the only guide capable of leading them through the marshes, through the Vale of Morgul and up into the passes of Cirith Ungol. The correct path was not one in which gleaming Elves hacked their way through thousands upon thousands of Orc to get to Mount Doom. It was better that Sauron's eye was forever glaring at Gondor, fixated in delusional malice. Really, it was all smoke and mirrors: a few accidents, several strokes of good luck, a bit of strategy and bunch of subterfuge, and Sauron, the arch-deceiver, was hornswoggled in the end.

Tolkien never refers to the path Gandalf planned on actually taking, and for good reason. It is likely that even he could not do what two Hobbits and a misshapen, addled Stoor managed. That is where Gandalf's prescience comes in. His foresight in allowing the four Hobbits to join the Fellowship was the linchpin of the group's success.
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