[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

We lost two innocents yesterday. Had we lynched someone OTHER than Kitanna, it would have been three.

Pessimist. Did you forget about the SIX bad guys we might have lynched, rather than Kitanna? We were already losing two innocents, yes. But we were by no means guaranteed to make it three; we were betting on the odds to lose two innocents (one that we had no say in) but still manage to salvage the situation by knocking off an enemy.

With the votes all going for Kitanna, the wolves and cobblers got a completely free day without even the threat of death. That might be a first in werewolf history, that an entire village votes for a 'known' innocent rather than even bothering to try to win the game.

Originally Posted by phantom

I can't imagine that I wasn't checked by the Assassin last night, and I also am convinced of Formendacil's Cobblerism.

Which is why I'm inclined to believe you, and support whole-heartedly your narcissism. Hold out and listen to me: I approve of the phantom's approach of diverting all attention to himself because it guarantees that if he's bad, the seer will know it early and we'll be able to kill him, and if he's good, he'll have somebody on his side.

Either way, his actions guarantee him a credible witness rather than just "he feels innocent-ish."

Seers search for the likes of dramatists. They're too dangerous to remain unknowns. I agree with his conviction that he was checked by the Assassin. It's what I'd have done in that place. If he was a cobbler, I feel very strongly that he'd be dead right now.

If I'm wrong? Well, it happens. Either way, I still hold onto my belief that a living phantom who is posting truths and evidence is more helpful in the short term than a dead one.

Originally Posted by Lommy

I think we've debated about this before, but I must say I disagree. The wolves know they're bad and sinful etc, so that might make them act guiltily. Also, they might do lots of things normal innocents are not so enthusiastic about - like trying to make friends, getting gifted-looking people lynched or give advice to each other, just to give a few examples. Oh, and they also have their packmateness to hide from the others. So I think there is plenty of evidence even without a wolf kill.

In which case we really do disagree. I've thought about killing people. That does not make me a murderer. No court on earth has a leg to stand on if they wanted to try to nail me on guilt of being a murderous criminal. Until there is a crime, there is not a criminal. Until there is an ACTION, not a thought, to hide or defend, there is absolutely nothing to prosecute. You can't hold trial for somebody who's 'just thinking about it.'

In that line, somebody who hasn't done anything, having nothing to hide, has no guilt to keep people from noticing. Day One is a day in which nobody is guilty of anything. Nothing has been done. Since there was no crime, nothing to hide: nothing!, there is no evidence to search through.

Everybody is feeling each other out day one. Everyone is looking for possible alliances. Nobody is any more or less suspicious than anybody else.

Originally Posted by Lommy

I'm a bit baffled as to why Shasta voted tp that early as he still seems to have been able to be around. Is he a cobbler or is he just genuinely very annoyed with him? I know tp can be annoying and I've been tempted to vote him just because of that sometimes, but Shasta's behaviour looks quite rash. Cobbleristic, even.

I completely agree. I think I'm going to have to vote early. A friend to pick up at the airport, and I'm not sure I'll be back in time for close of day...

And right now? Shasta's looking to get my lynch-vote.

Gotta go to work...