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Macalaure · 10-31-2008, 06:31 AM

Day One

Kitanna:

#80 - Comments on too much vengeance (me and Agan as example victims). Criticises Rikae and Aganzir for attacks on me.

#99 - Votes Rikae mostly for said attack.

#197 - Defends her defense of me to Nogrod by saying she just felt that way.

Awfully little, and the little she said was almost entirely about me. I thought at this point, that Kitanna might the seer and dreamt of me during Night One. That would have explained her focussing on attacks on her one known innocent.

Reactions:

#115 - Aganzir defends Kitanna from Gollum, saying that she had valid reasons to vote Rikae.

#116 - Nogrod looks for possible couples and finds Kitanna defending me. He's the first to bring this up. Lommy and especially Legate discuss it for a while over the next posts. Legate votes for her.

#187 - Gollum says she's fairly innocent.

#189 - Rikae dislikes the way Kitanna voted for her.

#196 - Brinniel brings to attention that Kitanna's vote was a cross-post.

#204 - Shasta thinks her vote is weird.

#207 - Nogrod votes Kitanna.

#212 - Shasta criticises Kitanna's defense validly.

#217 - Brinniel analyses Kitanna and finds her fine-looking, in #221 she restates her innocence.

Shasta and Nogrod look a little bad. Brinniel good.

Day Two:

Kitanna:

#247 - Thinks Lalaith was killed because she was quiet, Legate because he was believed to be a lover.

#312, #313 - Plans to look at Eonwe, Eomer, and Rikae. Makes a case against Eonwe.

#314, #318 - Analyses Eomer and is confused by him. Analyses Rikae and moves away from suspecting her.

#328 - Votes Eonwe because she wants to see what Eomer does tomorrow first.

Following my Kitanna-seer-theory, it's possible (from the lover-point of view) that she dreamt of Rikae, found her innocent, and made a case to justify no longer suspecting her. It's probable from her posts that her next dream would have been Eomer. Other lover might not have been in a special rush to kill her at this point.

Reactions:

#245+#253 - Aganzir doesn't know what to do with her, then calls her defense of me unsuspicious.

#266 - Eomer calls Kitanna's last post suspicious because it assumes the intention behind the deaths of Lalaith and Legate without much thought.

#300 - Shasta is confused by Eomer over this.

#297, #302, #303, #305 - Eomer continues on his earlier point to an unmerited degree. Admits that his suspicion is partly due to vengeance. Votes her.

#307 - Brinn doesn't know what to do with Kitanna.

#311 - Nogrod iterates his point about Kitanna's defense of me, adds her carefulness to it.

#333 - Brinniel acknowledges that Eomer points against Kitanna are good.

#338 - Shasta thinks Kitanna is innocent.

Brinniel's quietly moving away from finding Kitanna innocent is a bit shady. Nogrod keeps on harping on a connection between me and her. Eomer's attack is stupid (no offense) and highly suspicious. The way Brinniel acknowledged the quality of Eomer's point is suspicious, too. Shasta looks better.

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I might be overstraining the idea, but my guess is that one lover team thought that Kitanna is either the lover of an evil Mac (as Nogrod and Legate thought), or the seer who wished to protect her known innocent on Day One. The combination of these two crucial things would make her a logical target, but why only this night and not the last? Not knowing the actual rules on the kills makes this hard to answer. It could of course be that Lover-Eomer suddenly realised his peril and felt forced to act. Usually, after his behaviour on Day Two, Lover-Eomer would never have killed Kitanna, but the fear of the seer sometimes makes a person act irrational. So far, I found Brinniel and her over-analytical approach very innocent-looking. The way she backed off of Kitanna and approved Eomer's point yesterday is suspicious, however. Maybe she hides behind her strict analyticism. Nogrod is of course the main culprit of bringing the possible connection between me and Kitanna to everybody's attention. I'm torn on what to think of it, but I will ignore it for now.

It is of course entirely possible that Kitanna's murderers have never said one word about her, but in that case I would have to suspect half of the village, and that's not effective. It is also entirely possible that the reasons for killing Kitanna were different, since she only suspected (among the living) Eomer (which would in fact make him look better now). For now, however, I'd rather effectively suspect a few on an assumption that might be faulty than keep on running around confused.

(edit: my, this is a quiet morning...)

10-31-2008, 06:31 AM	#365
Macalaure Fading Fëanorion Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: into the flood again Posts: 2,911	Day One Kitanna: #80 - Comments on too much vengeance (me and Agan as example victims). Criticises Rikae and Aganzir for attacks on me. #99 - Votes Rikae mostly for said attack. #197 - Defends her defense of me to Nogrod by saying she just felt that way. Awfully little, and the little she said was almost entirely about me. I thought at this point, that Kitanna might the seer and dreamt of me during Night One. That would have explained her focussing on attacks on her one known innocent. Reactions: #115 - Aganzir defends Kitanna from Gollum, saying that she had valid reasons to vote Rikae. #116 - Nogrod looks for possible couples and finds Kitanna defending me. He's the first to bring this up. Lommy and especially Legate discuss it for a while over the next posts. Legate votes for her. #187 - Gollum says she's fairly innocent. #189 - Rikae dislikes the way Kitanna voted for her. #196 - Brinniel brings to attention that Kitanna's vote was a cross-post. #204 - Shasta thinks her vote is weird. #207 - Nogrod votes Kitanna. #212 - Shasta criticises Kitanna's defense validly. #217 - Brinniel analyses Kitanna and finds her fine-looking, in #221 she restates her innocence. Shasta and Nogrod look a little bad. Brinniel good. Day Two: Kitanna: #247 - Thinks Lalaith was killed because she was quiet, Legate because he was believed to be a lover. #312, #313 - Plans to look at Eonwe, Eomer, and Rikae. Makes a case against Eonwe. #314, #318 - Analyses Eomer and is confused by him. Analyses Rikae and moves away from suspecting her. #328 - Votes Eonwe because she wants to see what Eomer does tomorrow first. Following my Kitanna-seer-theory, it's possible (from the lover-point of view) that she dreamt of Rikae, found her innocent, and made a case to justify no longer suspecting her. It's probable from her posts that her next dream would have been Eomer. Other lover might not have been in a special rush to kill her at this point. Reactions: #245+#253 - Aganzir doesn't know what to do with her, then calls her defense of me unsuspicious. #266 - Eomer calls Kitanna's last post suspicious because it assumes the intention behind the deaths of Lalaith and Legate without much thought. #300 - Shasta is confused by Eomer over this. #297, #302, #303, #305 - Eomer continues on his earlier point to an unmerited degree. Admits that his suspicion is partly due to vengeance. Votes her. #307 - Brinn doesn't know what to do with Kitanna. #311 - Nogrod iterates his point about Kitanna's defense of me, adds her carefulness to it. #333 - Brinniel acknowledges that Eomer points against Kitanna are good. #338 - Shasta thinks Kitanna is innocent. Brinniel's quietly moving away from finding Kitanna innocent is a bit shady. Nogrod keeps on harping on a connection between me and her. Eomer's attack is stupid (no offense) and highly suspicious. The way Brinniel acknowledged the quality of Eomer's point is suspicious, too. Shasta looks better. ---- I might be overstraining the idea, but my guess is that one lover team thought that Kitanna is either the lover of an evil Mac (as Nogrod and Legate thought), or the seer who wished to protect her known innocent on Day One. The combination of these two crucial things would make her a logical target, but why only this night and not the last? Not knowing the actual rules on the kills makes this hard to answer. It could of course be that Lover-Eomer suddenly realised his peril and felt forced to act. Usually, after his behaviour on Day Two, Lover-Eomer would never have killed Kitanna, but the fear of the seer sometimes makes a person act irrational. So far, I found Brinniel and her over-analytical approach very innocent-looking. The way she backed off of Kitanna and approved Eomer's point yesterday is suspicious, however. Maybe she hides behind her strict analyticism. Nogrod is of course the main culprit of bringing the possible connection between me and Kitanna to everybody's attention. I'm torn on what to think of it, but I will ignore it for now. It is of course entirely possible that Kitanna's murderers have never said one word about her, but in that case I would have to suspect half of the village, and that's not effective. It is also entirely possible that the reasons for killing Kitanna were different, since she only suspected (among the living) Eomer (which would in fact make him look better now). For now, however, I'd rather effectively suspect a few on an assumption that might be faulty than keep on running around confused. (edit: my, this is a quiet morning...)