[Aganzir]

Hey I'm back.

Originally Posted by Gollum

1) I am wary of three people.

2) Because you seem to think I give weak reasons for being wary.

If you are wary of someone I expect you to give valid reasons. If you're a wolf who wants to make someone look bad (maybe not even look, but just make people have a bad feeling about her they can't put their finger on), one of the easiest things to do is just say someone looks *insert something suspicious* for no real reason. Your reasons which I quoted here looked fabricated. You changed your opinion of Rikae right after it started to look she could be lynched on day 1.

Originally Posted by Gollum

3) Because I considered you excited.

NO - because you didn't tell me why it was that I looked excited. If you threaten to or actually vote me because of that, the least you should do is to elaborate. I still have no idea what makes me "too excited", and before I get some real reasons, I interpret it as in the underlined sentence up there.

Originally Posted by Gollum

4) Because I voted Lommy because I didn't trust her. I got the idea (now I may be wrong) from last game that it is better to vote than not. I had almost no grounds to vote anyone else, and I could have voted you.

You didn't trust her because she was a wolf in the last game! It has nothing to do with this one! If you suspected me more, why on earth didn't you vote for me? Maybe because Lommy was leading at that moment, and you wanted to ensure the lynching of someone who wasn't your lover?

Originally Posted by Gollum

5) Because I seem to be going with the flow of the other players.

You do.

Originally Posted by Gollum

If you consider me to be going with the other players, I ask you how anyone can do that since the range of opinions and suspicions is so wide and varied.

Arrrr this is the most evil response I've ever seen.
I am going to look through your posts again soonishly so as to sum up the posts before which I made my case. However, back then you conveniently changed your opinions as soon as it started to look somebody was suspected and might be lynched. I'm thinking about Rikae and Lommy mainly, and yes, also myself. If you don't give proper reasons for your suspicions, I have no reason, either, to think you have any reasons apart from getting someone else but yourself or your lover lynched.
Anyway as for your response, instead of admitting you go with the flow you try to say you're not doing it since it's not possible. Going with the flow doesn't mean you agree with everybody on everything - it means you agree surprisingly much with surprisingly many without giving yourself anything new to the discussion.

Originally Posted by Gollum

I see nothing wrong in considering you excited, being wary of 3 players, or of giving lame reasons for being wary (I mean, I didn't want to vote for those people).

I see very much wrong there if you have no reasons and refuse to give any when asked.

Originally Posted by Brinn

These attacks towards Gollum bother me. Some of what Gollum says is flawed, but they seem more like newbie mistakes. It just feels to me that he's an easy lynch target- a scapegoat. I'm uncomfortable voting for any easy lynch targets because most often they turn out innocent.

To me they don't. And if he was an easy lynch target, why isn't he dead already?
Brinn, are you Gollum's lover?

Brinniel just jumped from my Innocent list onto the Guilty one.

Originally Posted by Brinn on sally

though her chosen no-vote makes her slightly less suspicious. But only slightly.

"But only slightly" because you wanted to discourage people stopping to suspect her?

Originally Posted by Brinn on Rikae

Her defensiveness definitely bothers me. And now she has this "fine, lynch me" attitude...which seems like reverse psychology to me.

I think Rikae knows better than to think that works as reverse psychology in WW. She's been lynched for behaving "oddly" also earlier.

Brinn was I think the first to state she could vote Rikae, who was at that moment gaining quite a lot attention (and suspicion). Somehow I don't like her reasoning though.

Originally Posted by Brinn

--- She seems frustrated to the point where she's no longer making sense...but that could point to innocence or guilt. --- she's pulled this off before as a baddie and I don't want to fall for a bluff. ---

Because while I do have a bit of doubt, I worry that I'll later regret if I don't vote her. And anyway, simply knowing her role will give me a sigh of relief rather than just be left wondering..

It looks too apologetic and explanatory. Saying, "I would later regret it, I need to know for certain" is a way I've seen wolves excuse their vote a couple of times, and have done it myself as well. Somehow it's such an easy thing to say when you're a baddie and want to get an easy lynch but not look like you were after it.

I don't know what to think of Nog. I didn't like his fierce attacks on Mac and Rikae yesterday, but then on the other hand it was like 6.30 am here, and it's weekend, which might explain at least some of his aggressiveness.

Originally Posted by Gollum

All right I have to go to bed now. But taking these words from one who appears innocent, I vote:

++Rikae

Vote well!

Funny. To me Rikae and Mac looked more innocent than Nog at that point.
If they had voted well, they would have voted you.

Okay, as for today.

I wonder if Rikae thought I was the seer, or tried to make the baddies think so. There weren't that many posts she could have been referring to, and the way she treated me later (eg not really responding when I asked why she thought I was innocent) made me wonder. If she did try, she seems to have succeeded. Or then the baddies just figured I'm after them.

Originally Posted by Gwath

As we approached DL yesterDay, it seemed like Rikae knew something important and that she was giving Mac hints about it. I would guess that the lovers killed Mac out of fear that he might have figured out what it was she was talking about (though I still have no idea).

This sounds possible.

Originally Posted by Nog

Which brings me to the possibility I entertained yesterDay of there being four pairs but only two of them getting to make a kill at Night. Di may randomise it who gets to make a kill or they take turns or something...

Yes, I thought about it, too. But even if there were more than two pairs, we shouldn't be able to know the number. There might be three or so as well.
I wonder why Nog wasn't killed. Was it because the baddies who tried to kill him the night before didn't get a kill last night? I can't see why they would leave him be when he would certainly not be protected. Or did they figure they could get him lynched, or do they want to bluff? Or did they just decide they have bigger fish to fry (Mac & me)? Were we somehow more dangerous to them?

Also I'd like to point out that being protected makes no one a known innocent in this game. The baddies were turned from our doors, but they couldn't see if Nog or I were sleeping calmly inside or going around in our nightly business. Therefore I can't say I really like Nog's known innocent show yesterday.

Originally Posted by Nog

About lovers going for Aganzir and Mac I'd say they look like someone has been after a presumed rival baddie.

Why? Was I that suspicious-looking?

edit: xed with Greenie, Fea, McC & Brinn