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Old 11-02-2008, 12:27 PM   #507
Aganzir
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My last case against him was made on day two. I link here the two posts where I accused him then: #241 and #259.

On day 3 he didn't post much (apparently because of problems in his net connection) and when he came back, he didn't have any idea as to who to vote. He said he'd read and be back with "a list of suspicions and things". So, he was back - saying he had no idea of Groin, Eomer, Cab, Greenie, Gwath, and Eönwë (though he also said there was not a great deal to worry about him). He wasn't sure about Rikae because of not knowing if she had been joking about Mac. The only one he considered innocent was... *trumpet fanfare*
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Originally Posted by Gollum #350
Brinn.-now here I think we have innocence. Just from the aura of her posts, that is.
Gollum, if I was to vote for Brinn to be lynched today, how would you defend her to me? I need more solid reasons than "just the aura of her posts", as you might know by now.

Voted for Eönwë "to save himself". He had one vote whereas Eönwë had two, and I don't think anyone who was yet to vote then was considering voting Gollum. Rikae (whom he seemed to suspect more) had two as well, but Gollum apparently xed with the second vote for her despite there being no mention of it. However, I don't think he wrote his post in one minute.

On day 4 Gollum said he can't make up his mind since either the players are not around or he "can't accuse them of anything for want of evidence". He said he keeps one or two under observation but nothing more. Now, Gollum, who were/are these "one or two"? Usually you should say it aloud unless you have a good reason to be silent about it.
Also, did I understand it correctly that the "want of evidence" part actually means "I can't accuse anyone because they want me to give reasons for it"? Sorry but that's the way it goes. You can't expect an innocent person to be like "Oh, he thinks I'm suspicious because my avatar looks gay and my signature is taken from a political rock song. That's alright - he must be innocent as well since I admit those are indeed suspicious things!"
If you really suspect me, why would you give it up just because I tell you to give reasons for it? Do you know what that looks like? That you don't care who you suspect as long as it's someone you're not related to in any way.

He also said he didn't have time to search for my case against him. I think it was quite easily found there if you just bothered to read the thread. Did you read? No wonder you couldn't come up with anyone to suspect.
Believe it or not, it's actually allowed to read posts from the previous days as well.

When Gwath asked him why people should refrain from voting him if he doesn't bother to respond to their accusations, he said one objection is not enough for him to spend time on (he changed his mind a short while later though when Gwath commented on it). This looks more like lack of interest than being evil, to be honest. If Gollum's a baddie he might want to be more keen on defending himself. However, if he didn't read the thread, he might not even have known there was a case against him. On the other hand, he seems not to have had time for it then (12.37 am my time he said he'd probably have to start working), and he promised to do it later (02.23 am he replied to my accusations).

His response is treated with here.

He voted for Rikae, his reason being the following part in Nog's post (who, in his opinion, appeared innocent):
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Originally Posted by Nog
That did it...

Rikae = a baddie
Macalaure = a baddie

But they are not on the same side. I quess Rikae's team is the one that was responsibole for the deaths of Lal and Kit and Mac's team killed Legate and tried to kill me. Unless there are two more teams which kind of makes this speculation anew... and which I believe in.

But that doesn't change the basic point: they both have made their mark and have been remarkably vocal toDay. The early voting compared with their increased activity after that is just one thing.
I think this was pretty bad reasoning on Nog's part. I dislike his certainty of Rikae & Mac's guilt and the way he instantly started speculating whose team killed whom.
However, what also worries me is that Gollum didn't mention at all that he voted for Rikae because he was leading on votes himself at that moment and also Rikae was a good lynching candidate. The way he voted looks too clean. Like he didn't want to bring any attention on the fact that he had votes as well.
Then he asked Nog what was wrong with taking his words as a basis for his vote since he couldn't make up his mind otherwise.

Now that I've done with this I can understand more easily why some of you said he looks like an innocent newbie. However, he still looks more like an evil newbie to me, and I'm up for voting him today as well.

I am experiencing a similar feeling as when painting - there's so much I should do but when I start on something, I won't have time for something else and in the end I always run out of time.
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