[Legate of Amon Lanc]

All right. This goes slower than I anticipated. For now, I will post some comments on what happened since I posted the last on Day 1. I have not read yet the rest, so it is possible I say something which is already "outdated" (had been discussed since then) and possible I will change my opinions on something later. However, still better that I post something now than only later.

MY THOUGHTS IN THIS POST, SUMMED UP (i.e. whoever does not want to read through all this, may as well read just this and get the main points):

Menel looks like his normal self, whatever that is, but he may be innocent. He likely IS innocent, actually.
I don't see anything so suspicious about Brinn.
Fea looks to me like a Cobbler;
and Mac still like a possible Wraith.
Sally cannot be well defined.
Rikae looks innocent to me.
Rune is a bit sleeping under my reindeer, but whatever. He may be innocent: most of his posts are innocent-like, however they are of the "detached" sort - they often have little to do with game itself, but are turning around people's RL actions, which I think is nothing that concerns the topic of who is the Wolf.
Nerwen looks sometimes innocent, but may be a well-calculating Wolf. (Something a bit like what Aganzir often is.)
It is hard about Mira, there is a possibility of a newbie wolf, but not really anything too suspicious here in truth.

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Now starts the "boring" part. ( ) Some various replies and things I replied to as I went through the thread, some more important, some less, whatever:

Rikae, 152:

Originally Posted by Rikae

For what it's worth, I, at least, play the role given to me, idealistic though that may be. Regardless of what side he's on, Frodo is not a werebear, out for himself. Ordos work for the village's benefit, so as long as he is one, that's the side he has to play, even if it makes things more difficult later. Don't you think I might love to assign myself the role of unofficial cobbler (in all the games I've played, I've never once been a cobbler)? Only the moddess can tell us for sure, but it seems to me like Frodo turning "cobbler" before he's been turned into a wraith isn't really playing fair.

That is very true, and that's what I thought as well. However...

Originally Posted by Rikae

Of course, Frodo may have good reasons to keep quiet for the time being - but if he's going to play his ordo role to the best of his ability, he might want to think about playing in such a way as to trap his possible future wraith self (who knows, maybe he's smart enough to outfox himself, and the rest of us, in the end, anyway).

However, this still does not make sense to me the way you keep repeating it. Frodo most certainly should stay low, as long as possible, try to be helpful for the village, yes, but revealing plainly on Day 1 is a nonsense - cf. what Brinn said:

#149

Originally Posted by Brinn

Okay, I find anyone who thinks that Frodo would even consider sacrificing himself at this early stage a bit idealistic. Whoever is Frodo signed up for this game because they want to play...it'd certainly be no fun to give up and reveal from Day 1. I'd think our Frodo would want to have more fun with the role than that. Also, once Frodo is changed, he is on the side of the wraiths. A lynching after he has changed could mean a loss for the wraiths. And why would anyone want to lose?

I said the same thing already and I am repeating it here. Just coming, revealing oneself for the good of the village and dying, okay, great, but poor the player. That was some role.

And Fea just does not help me at all. I still suspect her. Her list posted without any explanations for those she finds suspicious, and her explanations at those she does not want to vote are not much better either... those for Rikae and Mac, I mean.

Originally Posted by Fea

Rikae (she's trying too persistently to draw attention to herself; I shan't give it )
Mac (he's interesting to have around later)

Beregond #157

Originally Posted by Beregond

As a newbie I'm trying not to make the easy vote, but... I have to rely, to some extent, on the opinions of others, as I don't want to lynch one of the good guys in an effort to be different. So I'm going to wait a while yet before I make my vote.

Hmm. I actually wonder if Beregond is not trying to hide behind his newbieshness now. But whatever...


Mac #162

Originally Posted by Mac

Fea - to much fun to have around to vote without reason

That is nice, and perfectly understandable if you want to have somebody around because they are fun to play with. But in the light of what I think about Fea (cobbler), it is not as fun, and mainly, what Mac says is a very easy excuse for not voting Fea. "To vote without reason" - so you can say all the time from now, that you do not have yet the reason to vote her, and therefore keep her around. Of course. A Wraith would like to keep Ferny around, and if possible, without overtly defending him - so this way is the best way one could do that.

I like Nerwen (post 167), though it is true she may be a calculative wolf, trying to appear like a good and innocent person in the eyes of the others. Which I could expect from her - if she is one.

I like Brinn's comments on Frodo (168), although it is just more of a "fair play" style and it has little to do with the in-game thing itself, so it looks more like a question of opinion (on how one should handle the Frodo role, that is). But anyway...

Okay, Rune (170) acts kind of weird against Brinn, I think, these RL reasons... though I don't believe a Wolf would use such "unfair" tactics to make Brinn being suspected... so it looks to me that Rune would be likely innocent. It is explainable that he wants to stab Brinn with a rusty knife after her last WW performance.

Menel looks innocent.

What does not help Fea in my eyes is her vote on Day 1 (178):

Originally Posted by Fea

Following Rune for Brinn- I'm terrified of this girl no matter what team she's on. I won't have her slip past me in this game. Sorry, hun.

This is so obvious jumping on a bandwagon that one can hardly think otherwise of Fea than "Ferny!".

And however reasonably questioned by Mac, there is some truth in Menel's comment on Mac's list of people (179):

Originally Posted by Mac

Excuse me? I can see how people could regard me as suspicious at this point, but that reasoning is ridiculous...

Sally looks... weird, mainly her list of people she suspected on Day 1 is strangely mixed of people who seem fishy (Mac, Agan, possibly Brinn - in the sense that she is suspected enough for it to be understandable to put her on the list) and people who are relatively normal (Rikae or Nog).

Nerwen #184 looks more unnerving - it looks like listing the people everybody wants to lynch, sometimes for quite easy reasons (Gollum), so really giving herself a relatively wide choice (it won't be even a problem to incorporate some wolf into the lot, still she could choose some of the others).

Originally Posted by Nerwen

I'm thinking of voting:

Mac –because his stuff about Ferny's role looks unpleasantly like either a hint from Ferny to the Wraiths or one from the Wraiths to Ferny. This is what I thought myself while reading the post, before I saw other people's comments.

Gollum for random voting and way to much empty banter.

Aganzir for random voting and going on about Frodo.

Brinn for defensiveness and for that post where she seems (following Rikae's comment at #180) to be giving instructions to a would-be wraith Frodo.

What is worrying me, though, is that any of these four could be called an easy lynch.. and nobody seems to be trying to save any of them.

I might also add Rikae for acting like a cobbler at times, therefore possibly Ferny– however, she's made that point on Brinn which is quite good, and certainly better than the actual reasons people have voted her.

If I understood it right, most of the suspicions against Brinn (from everybody) stem basically from the fact that she was such a succesful wolf in the last game. Nerwen looks just like feeding Rune's (perhaps genuine) worry about this. Also, Nerwen does not forget to add this "but oh poor them, nobody defends them". Pretty well imaginable as a wolfy thing to do, to appear as a concerned innocent.

Me not like this.

Originally Posted by Mirandir

So far no one is sticking out as obviously needing to be killed toDay. There's not enough evidence due to lack of posting by some parties and others I just don't know what to make of. However, Lommy's flipflopping has been bothering me for the past few pages and thus has my vote.

Mira's reason for voting Lommy is also of the "simple" sort. I think he (is it he?) has not played much (or is it his[?] first game?) yet, and saying "Lommy flipflopping" sounds like something he(?) could have heard, as that is happening, and it could be well a good reason to backup the vote with, for a newbie WW. However, funny thing - his vote is almost identical with that of Shasta who, as we know, is dead.

Rikae looks overall innocent to me, despite I can see there may be things looking suspicious on her, I don't think they are anything more than her own opinion. Rikae looks innocent to me.

Sally - 193: I don't like that either:

Originally Posted by Sally

Brinn: Could be. Very well could be. But her suspiciousness (if that's even a word) could just be stress since she says she's been having a rough day or two. Perhaps we should give her the benefit for toDay? We'll see.

Anybody cares to tell me what is so suspicious about Brinn, except the fact that she's been a succesful wolf in some of the past games?

But on the other hand, Sally seems like just Sally at times, so hard to say. Her reason for voting him rather than Brinn or Lommy is not necessary a suspicious thing, quite the opposite - and especially if it turns out Mac is a Wolf.

Mac:

Originally Posted by Mac

I guess Legate was right about starting a bandwaggon. I don't see his vote suspicious at all, but the reasons of Menel (Mac doesn't have any suspects), Beregond (simply quoting what everybody has been calling suspicious all day), and Sally (he's off) are just bad.

Possibly, but I don't see the people's votes - Menel and Beregond, and not even Sally, for that matter, at least - being that bad.

Well, as for the Gollum lynch at the end of the Day 1: Mac has a logical reason to wish to lynch Gollum (be he a Wolf or not), as for others, on first sight, of course it was wrong (as it showed later), but explainable. So, nothing much special in there for me on first sight.