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Old 01-30-2009, 11:14 AM   #735
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I can't help being bothered by this comment in Lari's first post:
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As for my sign I am a Sagittarius which actually does say a lot more about me than it should.
Shasta had just said the baddies are under the influence of Fire and Sagittarius is a Fire sign. It looks awfully much like a hint, either to Ferny or the wraiths.

She suggested Frodo should reveal soonish so we could lynch xem. I still don't understand why Frodo should have been lynched if xe had revealed. It would have been a waste of both a lynch & a known innocent.
She also seemed to assume, though, that the ranger can protect the same person every night. Well yes if she had said it later than on day 1, it'd make her look more innocent, but I don't know how likely it is that the wolves discuss the ranger's qualities already on night 1, before the game has even started, so I'd assume it's an honest mistake regardless of her role.

She concluded Ferny is not a threat at all, just an annoying player, as xe doesn't know the roles of the people xe passes on. I disagree. If the seer dreamt of Ferny, she saw xem as an innocent, which means xe'd be more or less trusted as long as xe is alive. And if alive for long enough, Ferny can be of considerable help to the wolves.

On day 1 Lari considered voting me ("she will never trust me again"), Fea ("who doesn't like a good Fea vote on day 1?"), Dury (the fact that her character was a ranger made Lari think it'd be interesting if Kit had made her a wolf), or Lommy ("for reasons stated before"). Okay it was day 1 but still those reasons look a bit strange, especially the last two. It just doesn't make much sense that she considered voting Dury because of that.
As for Lommy, the reasons stated before were apparently stated by others as I don't think Lari herself talked about Lommy. Shasta voted Lom because of her voting me, Mira voted her because her flip-flopping bothered her, Dury because she found her sneaky. But that's pretty much all. So what reasons were you talking about, Lari?

On the other hand, she did forget Brinn from her list. This would point towards her being innocent at least then. Or then it's a bluff, but somehow it doesn't look like so. Although I guess it's possible, though very unlikely, that a wolf would forget to include her fellow...
She had sally listed as a No Idea, but she specifically mentioned she was watching her (but nothing had happened yet). Out of the six people on the list, she elaborated only on her and Gollum. I think it looks a bit like a wraith-on-wraith comment.

She wanted to prevent a double lynch (despite not being sure if they're even possible) and voted Dur. Mac had 4 votes, Brinn & Lommy 3, Gollum 2, she and me 1. She could have voted Lommy or me, who she had said she could consider, as it was almost an hour till deadline and several people were still to vote/retract.
Hmm a bit later she said her vote was pretty much random, and by preventing a double lynch she meant not voting Lommy.

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Then day 2.

Lari agreed with Mira that the end of day 1 was suspicious. She could understand Mac but found some others suspicious. So, what was actually suspicious about it? Mac wanted to save himself and others didn't want to kill him either. Also, by voting someone who already had votes she could have contributed to the outcome of the lynch.
Later she talked more about the voting, vaguely accusing Mac also of suspecting only three people, and Nerwen because of her vote. What was suspicious about her vote then?

She also thought Nog's criticism towards day 1 votes was weird. I can agree because I found it strange as well.

Okay another list. Nothing had caught her eye about sally, who seemed genuinely innocent. Brinn seemed innocent enough, too - nothing jumped out. I can't accuse her of finding Brinn innocent because I did, too.
However her summary includes quite many "could be or could be not" people.
She was suspicious of Rikae (didn't like her seer/Frodo bantering), me (playing it rather interestingly. What did you mean with that?), Nerwen (didn't like her vote), and Mac (not entirely innocent because of trying to save himself).

She didn't have anything on Durelin, apart from thinking Kit could have made her a wolf & not liking her first post. In her next post she suggested Dury could be Frodo trying to join the wraith team by impersonating the ranger.
She wondered why so many seemingly wanted to lynch Fea and added that she wasn't defending her. If Fea had turned out to be a baddie, it wouldn't look very good on her, but now I guess it's just that she really didn't understand it.
In the end she voted Durelin since she thought Kit would have made her a wolf because of her character. She didn't mention anything about accusations of Dury's ranger show, which I think was the major reason she was suspected in the first place. I don't really like her vote. Especially as we don't know how Kit picked the roles.

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Day 3.

She asked if Nog's death could be an attempt to frame Fea, and added that of course we should look at Fea nonetheless. Well yes Fea was framed. It's possible she's an innocent speculating or a wraith giving off something from their nightly plotting.

Also, Lari suggested me & Lommy's quarrel could be a way to cover our wolfishness. It wasn't, it's just us playing together (luckily our brawls never affect our RL relationship - we are friends again once we log out).

She said she's fine with lynching Fea, but would maybe want to lynch Mac (been saved twice) or Rikae (something in her posts makes her wonder) even more. Well Mac is not a wolf and I'm feeling pretty good about Rikae as well (I don't think she's looked wolfish even after the RB was turned). Also, if the wolves thought Fea was the cobbler, they might have wanted to lynch someone else. It's impossible to say if they did think so, though, as they have information about the cobbler that we other's don't.
Greenie accused Lari of trying to save Fea with her Dur vote but it doesn't really matter because Fea was innocent.

Then Lari asked if the wolves get a new kill if their original target is protected. I admit this is a fairly innocent-looking question.
She also noted that if the seer dreamt of Ferny, the result was an ordo.

When Mac noted how Lari went from defending Fea to being neutral towards her to being okay with lynching her quite quickly, she responded by saying she doesn't want to die. According to her, there was a high chance it'd be between her and Fea. I don't see it quite like that. Fea was so suspected that it was practically impossible someone else had been lynched, while wolves tend to overestimate suspicions against them.

Okay then she's suspicious of Mac and Rune (who was intentionally a part of the Dury bandwagon & wanted to save Fea). Originally she was suspicious of Mac for being saved from lynching. I do agree that Mac is suspicious but he can't be anything worse than the cobbler, and those seem to be rather weak reasons for such constant suspicion, anyway.

Okay then there's some confusion about Ferny, which also makes Lari look more innocent because the cobbler is certainly a thing the wolves have been talking about even if they didn't discuss the ranger.

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Originally Posted by Lari
And what if Fea turns out to be innocent? How does that look for me? Who then looks bad? Rune for defending her? Mac and Rikae for pointing out quickly that she could be Ferny?
Somehow this comment looks quite fishy to me. Like, she's in a way making herself look better and swaying suspicion towards others she's suspicious of. Can't explain it better.

In #563 she listed who she could vote for - Fea, Rune, and Mac. She was the least confident about Fea but everyone else thought her guilty. Voted Mac, who made lists which showed only a few people guilty. I don't really see what's suspicious in that.

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Day 4, after the RB turning into a wraith & the seer reveals.

Lari has 37 posts, only three of which she has written yesterday or today.

She claimed she didn't know what to think of the seer reveals as both Lomz & Brinn listed two known dead innocents and each other. Mac was on Lommy's list too.
This is rather interesting because Mac had been one of her main suspects and now she accidentally calls him a known innocent.

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Originally Posted by Lari
While she did leave the comment in her post about rings, would it be so impossible for the wolves/wraiths to turn Frodo and then throw Frodo to us in a way to save themselves?
What did you mean with this?

She voted sally, saying she seemed like a safe bet, although by then the general consensus seemed to be that Brinn was a better target as her death would remove all confusion about the seer.

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And today when she just voted sally.

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I don't know what to make of her earlier posts. She seemed rather suspicious at times and very innocent at others and it's really impossible for me to say anything.

However I think she could be Frodo. Well she started posting much less once Frodo was turned, but that could also be because of some RL hurries. However that Mac slip doesn't look innocent. If she wasn't sure who to trust, why did she call Mac a known innocent?
She being Frodo might also explain that weird Sagittarius comment on day 1. She might have wanted to leave a hint for the wolves, although that isn't very straightforward.

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Sorry this is so long, I don't know what has happened to me.
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