[Brinniel]

Originally Posted by Brinn

Woah, toDay went really weird. And the village did it without any of our help.

I set myself up in case I have to fake reveal at some point (though I'm looking less suspicious so I might not need to...we'll see). Durelin and Noggie were meant to be my dreams (and Lommy as an alternate). Though I might've screwed it up by voting Fea instead of Mac. Of course, I x-posted a lot so I really had no idea Dury would end up with so many votes. Though I sorta worry that people will find me not voting Mac to be suspicious...especially once he's revealed as evil. I don't know...I think I'm over-analysing things again..

Just gonna throw out some thoughts from the top of my head:

Legate was missing toDay which was unusual. I rather doubt he'd let himself miss a Day were he a gifted, so I'm gonna guess he's an ordo.

I think it's less likely Rikae is a seer after that stunt. But then again, she could be pulling a Boro and I don't want to fall for that again...

I don't think Lommy will get lynched anytime soon...she could make for an easy kill.

I wouldn't mind killing Noggie. He could easily get lynched, but how much would it confuse people if he turned up dead? Also, I'm still wondering if he could be Frodo...

Okay, now perhaps I'll actually go back and look at everyone to get some ideas.

-Brinn

Originally Posted by Brinn

Menel: I'm not really worried about him. It's possible he's gifted, but I don't think he's the seer.

Greenie: Based on her extremely vague opinions of everyone in her list post, I don't think she's the seer. She's a possible future lynch candidate, so let's leave her alone.

Legate: Like I said, since he was a no-show I think he's most likely an ordo. Would be an easy kill, but I'd rather find Frodo or the seer, or even the ranger.

Lari: Giftedness is possible, but she's giving me ordo vibes right now.

Lommy: Might be the seer. If so, I'm guessing she dreamt Fea on Night 1 and Legate on Night 2. But I can't be sure about this. The question is, how likely will the ranger protect her?

Rune: I have a feeling Rune would be more involved if he were gifted, but I might be wrong. If he were the seer, I think he would've dreamt of me after our major scuffle, so I doubt he is. I wouldn't mind killing him, but probably not toNight.

Mira: I still doubt Kit would give a newbie a gifted role since they'd have to figure it out for the first time on their own. But I suppose anything's possible.

Nogrod: If he's the seer, he's certainly not giving any hints. I still think it's possible he could be Frodo. But I could be completely wrong on this. I definitely wouldn't mind killing him though. I doubt the ranger will protect him and his death would certainly confuse the village.

Fea: Oh god, she could be anything. If she's the seer, she'll most likely end up pretty dangerous to us. But I'm thinking that perhaps she's just an ordo messing with our heads and trying to get herself killed with hints.

Aganzir: I have no idea. Even if she's the seer, keeping her alive another Day probably wouldn't be all that dangerous since she doesn't suspect any of us. Also, she might get herself lynched in the near future.

Beregond: see Mira

Rikae: She's certainly throwing out a lot of seer hints. The question is, is she actually the seer? She does back off on Nerwen, but that could be a ploy...it's exactly what Boro did. I want to say she is just an ordo, but I'm worried about falling into the same trap.

Possible kills:
Lommy: The only thing is I'm really worried she might be protected.
Nogrod: Probably not a seer hit, but could be something else. A safer kill.
Rikae: We could kill her just to be sure. But there's the chance the ranger's protecting her.
Rune: Not as much as the others, but if you guys really want him dead, then I'm up for it.

And I wonder which name our informer will give. Hopefully not one of us...

I think that's all from me for tonight, but I'll be around later.

-Brinn

Look, I was actually right about Lommy's first dream. And yeah, I probably would've pushed for her death again if I hadn't been so worried she might be protected. Next time I won't be so cautious...

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Well, that went off nicely. I'm sorry I couldn't be around during the second half of the Day, but you didn't need my help... or even your own help, really. What a nice, obliging lot these villagers are!

And good Seer-hinting, Brinniel. Might prove very useful.

If Rikae is the Seer she's behaving very oddly (even for her). I mean, the way she backed off me would make it very hard for the villagers to tell whether her earlier suspicions were a hint or not. You never know with her, though.
I think it might indeed be a good idea to kill Lommy. although there is quite a risk she'll be protected. (If we don't kill her, look out for a change in her attitude to Agan tomorrow).
Nogrod– Not bad either... it would certainly give the village something to talk about.
Rune– I think not.

I wouldn't overlook Fea, either.

~Nerwraith.

Originally Posted by Brinn

Oh yes, now I remember why I wanted to keep Mac alive. Partly because he's on our side, of course, but also because if I have to reveal as seer and one of my "dreamt of players" is the true seer, I can accuse them of being the informer (after all, the informer does appear innocent in dreams). Also I might use Lommy as a Night dream instead of Dury...it might be more believable since I didn't try to save the latter. I'm tempted to "dream" of Mac, but that might look bad if he's lynched and I don't have to fake reveal after all. So it might be a good idea to "dream" Aganzir instead (she was on my watch list), and also maybe suspect Mac. If he's on the lynching block, I might risk voting him, just so I won't be connected to him should he be lynched. Still slightly worried people will turn heads at my Fea vote, but they might not think much of it with all the x-posting at the time, plus I indicated I might vote her all Day.

Btw, I think it was kind of a good thing you two weren't around much toDay; it seemed to ease some suspicions. Of course, I wouldn't suggest continuing to do so as quiet wolves have a habit of eventually getting lynched. I thought Sally would be the loudest wraith, but it seems I have the second most posts on the thread! So much for posting less.

In earlier Days, I would've quickly wrote her off as seer, but now I know better. It'd be a risky move to back off on a known baddie in case you are killed, but that's exactly what Boro did with morm, which resulted in Noggie and me not wanting to kill him...and that was a disaster. Though, I don't want to be lured into another trap if she does happen to be an ordo. Therefore, I don't think I'd like to kill Rikae toNight, but I say we keep close eyes on her toMorrow because we might want to consider her for another Night in the near future, depending on her behaviour.

I'm not sure if Lommy would dream of Aganzir toNight were she the seer (actually if she was the seer, why wouldn't she dream of Agan on Night 1 since she always suspects her). A seer doesn't necessarily dream their top suspects, I know I wouldn't because it'd be more predictable and easier for wolves to spot. But we can still keep a watch on interactions between the two.

I thought about her for a kill, and while it's certainly possible she's the seer, I think she might just be messing with us. Anyway, she gathered a lot of attention at the end of the Day, and I think it might be possible to lynch her in the future.

Hmm...I'd love to kill Lommy, but I'm extremely hesitant because there's a really good chance she'll be protected. Right now it seems she and Legate are the ones generally considered innocent. And Lommy looks more seerish of the two.

The best choice might be Nogrod. For one thing, there's a fair chance he might not be an ordo (though that probably could be said for almost everyone). Secondly, his death would probably be really confusing. Thirdly, he's probably not ranger protected. My only hesitation is he would also make a great lynching target toMorrow (though I won't go after him). I suppose the same reasons can be used for killing Fea, though her death might more likely incriminate us (or at least me). But maybe not.

If you two prefer Lommy I'm up for it, though I think we'd be taking a major risk. Of course if she is protected, at least we'll have a guaranteed kill toMorrow. But there's a good chance she's not even the seer. I often suspect she's gifted, but she rarely turns out to be.

Alright, my hit list:

1. Nogrod or Fea
2. Lommy
3. Rikae

-Brinn

Originally Posted by Kitanna

Your informer has suggested you kill Brinn toNight. I suggest against this action for obvious reasons.

~Kit

Originally Posted by Brinn

Hahaha. Well at least I know I'm doing well at looking innocent. I wonder if he thinks I'm the seer?

Obviously I have no intention of committing suicide. Maybe our informer will take the hint when he sees we don't take his suggestion.

I decided while it would kind of suck if our target is protected, it wouldn't entirely be a bad thing. At least it would add to confusion and discussion on who was protected. And if if the seer was worried enough that they were the one protected, they could reveal, or at least leave some more obvious hints.

One thing: If we killed Rikae and she was seer, Nerwen might not look so bad. But if she's ordo and we fell into a trap, Nerwen might not look quite as good, but Greenie would look much worse. If we want to frame someone, Rikae would be the kill to do it.

Still, I think I might be happier killing Noggie or Fea. I'm feeling bold toNight.

Of course if one of you have someone better in mind, or a possible clue to the seer, go on and share it. I want to hear your thoughts (especially Sally, whom we haven't heard from yet).

Okay, I'll try to stop flooding you with PMs,
Brinn

Originally Posted by Sally

Haha!

Okay, so I've read your PMs and since I still haven't gotten a chance to read the thread really well I have to go with what I 'know' from my skimthrough I made late last night.

I wasn't a fan of killing Lommie or Nog before but I'm really not going to fight about it now. Strangely enough, I'd like to see Lari go. Just a gut thing, but I'm probably wrong.

Anyway I can't seem to stay in one place and on my computer for more than like a minute, so I'm just going to submit this and see if I've got any more PMs. Blah, this weekend turned out so much busier than it was supposed to be.

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Yep, looks like your act's working.

I'd like some input from Sally, too, but time's getting on...

If you don't want to try for Lommy, then, it's a question of whether we go for one of the spectacular "I'm-the-Seer-no-I'm-not-yes-I-am" people, i.e. Rikae or Fea, or for Nogrod.

I was thinking that the deaths of obvious pseudo-Seers would make the newbies look bad, and the village might lynch some of them and save us worrying about them –after all, you can't count on them not being gifted. (On the other hand, it might also impact on you (Brinn), because of the way the wolves got burned in Fea's game.)

But I rather like the idea of killing Nogrod, though. It would quite a talking point, plus he might well be something.

~Nerwraith.

Originally Posted by Sally

Whoops, I must not have sent you my last PM. Sorry, Nerwen.

Anyway I also think a really good 'random' kill would be Agan. I don't know why, but I really think she'd be good to get rid of, just a feeling.

Originally Posted by Sally

Also, we have to make sure not to kill our Ferny. Now it's possible that it's Mac, but if it's not who would suggest him as a first Night kill? Just something to consider.

So I'm on IM with Brinn right now and happened to mention that I want to try to avoid Frodo as long as possible, in hopes that the seer will dream him/her, find them innocent, and then we can 'scry' them per se and hope that the seer won't re-dream them. (I wonder if Kit will put the changing of Frodo in the narration. I'd assume so, but I'm not sure.)

Hmmmm. Thoughts?

Originally Posted by Nerwen

No, our PMs crossed, that's all. I've got yours.

Oh yes, she can be a menace. Also, there's that funny Day 1 stuff where she goes on about "what I would do if I were Frodo" and how much an Agan-Frodo would love to be wraithified... a hint? (Of course, everyone seems to assume Frodo would act as they would.)

And Lari is worth watching. I'm getting vibes from her too.

Originally Posted by Brinn

I don't know how Noggie's death would affect me. Would it look bad since I defended him? But then again his death might point to anyone. I would like to kill him, but I'd need another look before I'm sure.

Sally, what do you think about killing Noggie?

I took a look at Agan and the only thing is she doesn't suspect any of us. Her suspects will probably change with the Dury lynch, but keeping her around could benefit us. Also, if she and Lommy continue to feud, it might cause a nice distraction.

As for Lari, she could make a good kill, but it feels rather safe to me. But maybe.

Off to look at Noggie again,
Brinn

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Sorry, Sally, we crossed again.

I'd say the answer to that is, "an idiot". Or at least, someone who isn't paying attention. So, not much of a loss.

I'm afraid that's a bit too complicated. It would be absolurely fantastic if it worked, but we'd really have to have a fairly good idea of Frodo's identity, and we haven't. You have to weigh the chance of Frodo getting dreamed against the chance of him being lynched before we find him.

~Nerwraith.

Originally Posted by Sally

I'd go for Nog. There's a couple people I prefer a bit over him (Agan mostly, just for randomness) but I would definitely be amenable to his death.

Yeah, I'd rather just keep an eye on Lari for right now and see if we need to deal with her or just let the village take care of her like they did Durie.

Originally Posted by Brinn

Okay, I looked at Noggie again. He was fairly suspected yesterDay and really led the rally against Durelin. However, others might consider him more innocent for that reason because they might question the chances of him being so bold if he were actually guilty. Of the "lynch Durelin" party, it's probably going to be the ones who suspected and voted her suddenly in the final moments that will be suspected most. That's just my guess.

I don't know to whom his death will point to, but hopefully it won't be any of us.

Nogrod doesn't look at all to be the seer. So his death might confuse people who would expect us to go after the seer. Of course, they might suspect we thought he was Frodo, but I don't think it matters much. My main goal for a Noggie kill is to keep the village running in circles. It'd be nice if he was a gifted, but I'm so bad at spotting gifteds I don't think I should bother trying anymore. As I told Sally, there's a better chance I'll stumble over one on accident than actually be right about someone I pursue. The difficult thing about spotting gifteds is there's not predicting how they'll act (especially the ranger). You almost have to have a natural talent to spot one..

I'm not getting vibes from Lari like you guys are, but I'll watch for her. I also suggest keeping a close eye on Rikae. Actually, we should just keep a close watch one everyone.

I just realised last time I killed Agan, tp and Boro claimed to set her up for the kill. Maybe that's why I'm feeling bitter at the thought of killing her again.

So should we kill Nogrod? We still have time if we want to add someone else into the running.

-Brinn

Yes, it's true I never intended to frame anyone when choosing Noggie. It was just plain luck that the following Day fell together so perfectly.

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Look, Nogrod's fine with me. I sort of feel that I'd slightly prefer Agan, though.

Still, if we leave her alive, it shouldn't be too hard to get her and Lommy to try and lynch each other.

Any other ideas on strategy for toDay? I think we've so far managed to avoid having our names linked, which is the main thing... but people might eventually realise I was voting to save Brinn on Day 1.

I will do a nice little analysis of Nogrod; I might even bring up the possibility that he was thought to be Frodo. (I like to believe my Shasta-analysis might have contributed to getting Dury lynched, though it's probably wishful thinking.)

Originally Posted by Brinn

I think the best thing we can do is suspect each other and do a wolf-on-wolf vote if we absolutely must (though don't make it look like you are doing it because you have to). I don't think any connections will be noticed until one of us dies. So let's just try to stay alive.

If you guys want Aganzir dead, do you want to change the kill to her? Though it's kinda last minute, and I need to submit our choice soon...

-Brinn

PS. Nerwen's inbox is full, so maybe we shouldn't change it after all.

I almost did change the kill to Agan (which would've given us Frodo one Day earlier), but I didn't want to do it without Nerwen knowing.