[Brinniel]

Originally Posted by Brinn

Well, that was easy.

We didn't even kill Noggie to set up Fea, and not because we thought him the ranger either. But what an easy way to get rid of Fea that was.

Right now I'm concerned with possible connections between us in the scenario one of us is lynched. Sally's suspicion of me on Day 1 has already been caught on as wolf-on-wolf, and I'm doing my best to distance myself from that. In-game, I already suspect you Sally so don't be surprised if I'm persistent on you and even vote to lynch you...better that than suspiciously back off. In turn, I think you need to interact with me, defend my accusations of you, etc. We need to butt heads a little, but not enough to let it look staged. Nerwen I'm not as worried about since no one seems to suspect her now (but we'll have to see toMorrow). I think I'm somewhere in the middle.

But let's hope it doesn't come to sacrificing one of us. With Fea's death, suspicions will probably change dramatically toMorrow. I don't think we will be primary targets, though it's possible. I think Sally might be at the biggest risk since she's starting to gather some attention. Though I think there could be a fairly good chance of losing our informer toMorrow. Suspect him if you two want; I decided to take the risk of thinking him innocent, unless he does something dramatic. A bold move, but I'm kinda hoping it'll look too bold to be suspicious (the most suspicious would be probably sitting on neutral territory). And hey, it could look seerish...

I considered changing the kill to Aganzir since you two wanted it, but it was too last minute. I guess it wasn't completely awful to kill Noggie. At least it kept them confused, which is what I wanted.

As for toNight's kill, I'm not gonna suggest anyone right now since I want to go to bed shortly (it's difficult since I do have ideas in mind). Also, I want to hear you guys give out suggestions first since I am horrible at spotting gifteds and perhaps you two will do a better job. I'd really like to find the seer toNight, as with each Night it gets more dangerous to leave them alive. Though if we manage to kill the ranger or turn Frodo, I certainly won't mind.

Okay I just have to throw this out here because I can't wait: Rikae still could be the seer and have dreamt of Fea and Mac (they'd both show up as ordos), and she just mixed up who was Ferny. But even if so, I don't know if I want to kill her since she could make a great lynch target...unless you guys think it's necessary. That's all.

Don't expect any PMs heavy in content from me until after 7pm EST. I have classes all day.

Night,
Brinn

Originally Posted by Nerwen

It was fun, too.

You two are starting to draw a bit of suspicion, but so is everyone now, so that's okay.

Well, that might explain how she was so sure Fea wasn't a wraith. How much would we have to stick our necks out to get her lynched, though? Anyone who helps lynch the Seer gets looked at pretty hard.

If you really think she's the Seer, we should just kill her. Otherwise, we could try killing Aganzir, or maybe Beregond. I think he might be something (though not the Seer, or he would have said something more definite in his lists.)

Originally Posted by Brinn

Well, I wouldn't try that hard to get her lynched and she might not even need any help. If she doesn't get lynched toMorrow, then we could just kill her the following Night. Anyways, I'm not that sure she's the seer. It would be pretty risky to go after Fea like that, especially if she dreamt her as an ordo. But it is possible.

I have absolutely no idea about Agan; I'll take a better look at her later. I'm still hesitant about the possibility of a newbie being a gifted, especially Beregond who didn't know anything about WW before this. It'd be a lot of pressure to give him a special role to work out on his own. But I guess anything's possible.

I actually woke up this morning and realised I'm really worried about Lommy. I rather wish we had taken the risk of killing her earlier because she's getting dangerous. Her persistence and vote against Sally, and her suspicion of me could point to seerism. If she is the seer, I think she might've dreamt of Sally and toNight there's a good chance she'll dream of me. Killing her would be a dangerous move either way. If we kill her and she is the seer, Sally
and me will look awful bad and one, or even both of us could get lynched. Of course, if we leave her alive and she is the seer and has dreamt of two wolves, she'll probably reveal. Because why wait and risk getting killed if you know 2/3 of the evil party? I could fake reveal as seer in that scenario, but it only might buy us a Day and afterward both of us would be promptly lynched. Though if she is the seer, at least Nerwen will look good. Basically, if Lommy turns out to be the seer it's extremely bad news for us no matter what we do. So let's hope she's not. If we kill her toNight and she's not the seer, Sally and me might still look bad, but aren't necessarily doomed...after all, they could see it as another frame job. If we leave her alive and she's not the seer, she might back off on us, but there's no guarantee and it could be risky. Whether she's a seer or not, Lommy does look gifted. It might be a good idea to be rid of her now rather than later, no matter the outcome.

Tell me, what do you guys think about Lommy? Because I'm extremely nervous right now on the thought that she could be the seer. I'm often wrong about these things, and I really hope I am wrong about this.

-Brinn

The only thing I was wrong about was that I switched around her dreams between Sally and me.

Originally Posted by Kitanna

Ferny suggests killing A Little Green.

~Kit

Originally Posted by Sally

Cheap solution to the Lommie reveals problem. Sorry if it's not well-worded, because I just woke up *blissful sigh* but here goes.

IF we let Lommie live (which I think is the safest course of action, believe it or not) and she is the seer, she will eventually find Nerwen and at that point she will reveal, if not before, which I believe would be the case.

IF she reveals, Brinn can counter-reveal. You've been suspecting me for a while, feel free to lynch me if it makes you look good. How you're going to manage Lommie after that I'll never know. (Perhaps claiming that your dreams have been killed off or that the village are idiots for killing "X" when you clearly stated they were innocent, if/where applicable, etc.)

The problem with that is the very fact of Lommie's existence and how to explain why we wouldn't want to kill her. So basically the whole plan is brilliant in theory, but rubbish in practice. Like communism. Or decaf coffee.

I'm all for killing Agan or Rikae, especially since I think Agan would still be a safe (as in it wouldn't point to us right away) kill. Also, Ferny suggests Greenie. I've got a meeting with my advisor in a bit but when I get back I'll do my best to have a look at her, k?

Alternatively, are we still calling Mac for Ferny? And I think we should at least discuss Frodo and who he/she might be because if Lommie is the seer and she reveals I really don't want Nerwen left alone.

~~Sally~~

Originally Posted by Brinn

I don't think the seer would wait until they dreamt all three wolves; they're lucky if they catch two and would most likely take advantage of it. And besides...they've gotta leave some work for the ordos.

If we left Lommy alive and she revealed that she dreamt of the two of us, then I will counter-reveal. But note I'll only do it if the seer has dreamt of me. My dreams would be Lommy, Nogrod, Mac or Rune, and Sally. And since Ferny appears as an ordo in dreams, I can accuse Lommy of being Ferny. And if I reveal, I'm sorry Sally, I will sacrifice you. Because if I dream of a wraith, it'll give good reason why not to lynch Lommy. The problem with this plan is that there's a big risk that the village will believe Lommy and not me. For one thing, why would she so suddenly fake reveal...though I'd argue she thought a wraith or two might be good lynching targets for the Day and decided to self-sacrifice in order to lure out the seer. And even if I do convince the village, my claim won't hold up forever. They'll either start doubting me or decide to lynch Lommy...and then I'm doomed and that's two wraiths down. But at least it would give us more Days...and luckily there are no double lynches.

If we kill Lommy and she's not the seer, Sally or me, or both might look bad. But then again, they might see the kill as a frame-up like Nogrod. If we kill her and she is the seer, Sally would definitely look bad and probably me as well. One wraith would probably get lynched, but I don't know if people will assume both of us are guilty. So I might be able to stay alive for awhile if I play it carefully.

Maybe not killing her is best because there's a chance we're totally wrong about her being the seer and she's just unusually accurate. That's what I hope. Because I find trying to convince an entire village with a false reveal rather scary, but I'll do it if I must. At least I set myself up to vaguely look like the seer from early on. If Lommy is a seer who dreamt of two of us, she'd most likely reveal with her first post. Which kind of sucks since I have classes most of the day (unless we get a snow day). Anyways, I'd like to hear from Nerwen about all this since she's the one who could end up a lone wolf.

And I should have a closer look at Greenie since our informer suggested her. I'm a bit hesitant to kill her because she seems to find me completely innocent...but it's possible Mac saw something that we didn't. Of course he could be wrong too since he was about me.

Off to examine everyone closely,
Brinn

Originally Posted by Brinn

Gah, I started a PM and then the mouse screwed up on me and I lost it...

What I did say was that if the seer isn't Lommy, then I'd like to get them toNight, though any gifted would make me happy. I have no idea how Frodo would act, it's a toss-up and all I can do is guess. The ranger would probably want to lay low and not be too noticed, but also not so unnoticed that they'd make a safe kill. Can the ranger protect themself? Perhaps we should ask Kit.

Menel: The quietest of the players. He doesn't look seerish, but then again he didn't look seerish last time he was the seer. He could be gifted, though more likely Frodo or the ranger. Would make a safe kill.

Greenie: I'm trying to make out why our informer suggested her. Her posts don't seem at all seerish to me...maybe he thinks she's Frodo. Or perhaps just a safe kill.

Aganzir: Right now, I still can't see anything gifted about her. Of course I could be very wrong. She'd make a safe kill.

Mirandir: I don't think she looks gifted. If we leave the newbies around long enough, people might start to suspect and lynch them.

Legate: I don't think a seer would act so sure of someone's guilt if he hadn't dreamt of them. He seems rather bold to be a ranger, but he could be. His absence for a full Day makes me think he's more likely an ordo. Anyway, there's a good chance he'll receive a fair amount of attention toMorrow, so let's leave him alone.

Rune: I don't know. He's naturally aggressive, but I think he's even a bit more so in this game. Would a gifted attack me so harshly? Possibly. With his position on the whole Fea, there's a good chance he'll look more innocent toMorrow. Could make a good kill, but then again if the ranger thinks he tried to save Fea because he's a seer who dreamt her as an ordo, then there's a good chance he'll be protected.

Lari: I have no idea whether she could be gifted or not. She received quite a bit of attention yesterDay; I don't know how Fea's innocence will affect people's opinions on her. But she seems harmless enough for now and I'd rather leave her be.

Lommy: Already discussed her plenty.

Beregond: He'd make for a safe kill, but I don't think we'll catch a gifted by killing him.

Rikae: Already discussed her some. It's still possible she's a seer, but I'm not sure a seer would be so bold. It might be better to leave her alone since I'll think she'll receive a fair amount of pressure toMorrow, though I'm not sure how likely it is she'll actually get lynched. Actually, I wouldn't be against killing her (even if it looks like a repeat of the Noggie kill). It's very possible she's gifted, even if it's not the seer.

Who I want to leave alone:
Mirandir
Legate
Lari
Beregond
Rune

Possible kills:
Menel
Greenie
Aganzir
Rikae

??
Lommy

Possible ranger protection:
Menel
Greenie
Aganzir
Lommy
Rune
Beregond

I could go for Menel or Rikae. Aganzir I'm still hesitant about, but I won't argue it if you both rather kill her. Perhaps it'd be a good idea to take Mac's advice and go for Greenie. Then there's the huge question of Lommy. I don't see much of seer qualities in many others, which is why I'm getting more and more worried about her. We also still have to keep who the ranger might protect in mind. Rikae would be unlikely, and Rune would be very likely (which is why I don't want to kill him). Actually, if there's a good chance Lommy is protected, it'd probably be a good idea not to kill her. Though I don't want to make an actual decision about Lommy until I hear from Nerwen.

-Brinn

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Sorry for not posting before– just got in.

First things– Sally, remember that a false reveal can only buy you a short time. Once the Seer's dead, everyone knows his role. Brinn's idea of claiming the real Seer is Ferny and throwing Sally to the lambs is rather brilliant– but definitely a last resort plan. She'd still be exposed pretty soon.

I'm not sure if it is Lommy, though– would she have made that throwaway vote for Sally if she'd been the Seer?

It mightn't be a bad idea to kill her anyway, since she's just too clever. The problem is that whether she's Seer or ordo, her death points somewhat to Brinn as well as Sally.

Basically, though, the same comment I made about Rikae holds: if you think there's a good chance you've found Barliman, kill him.

I'll have a look at Greenie too, but I suspect it's more a case of her looking Seer-ish to someone who doesn't know who the wraiths are.

Originally Posted by Brinn

Actually that's one of the reasons I'm worried that she is the seer. If she's already dreamt of Sally and is worried she might get killed at Night, what better way to leave a trail then to vote for her known wraith?

Also, keep in mind that if we miss a kill due to ranger protection, it'll be very bad news for us. Because we'd risk the chance of being exposed, plus we'd have no kill. If the ranger finds Lommy at all seerish, then she may be protected.

Originally Posted by Nerwen

I was just thinking that voting for Sally leaves her rather exposed... and she gives a reason; I'm not even sure she'd look Seer-ish to someone not in the know. She still might get protected as a likely innocent anyway.

On the whole, though, I think we should take the risk. If we don't kill her, I'd say Rikae or Aganzir are our best bests.

~Nerwen.

Originally Posted by Brinn

Take the risk to kill or not kill Lommy? Because I think I might prefer the risk of leaving her alive. Simply because I was the one who first mentioned the possibility of her being seer and more often than not I am wrong. I will seriously be kicking myself if we kill Lommy and she's not the seer. On the other hand, if we leave her alive and she is the seer, at least we have a plan that might buy us an extra Day (and hey, if I'm gonna get lynched, let's make it interesting). Plus, in this scenario there's still a chance that she won't dream of me toNight...after the Fea thing, other dream candidates could have come up. And if we were to kill her and she was the seer, Sally and me would still be left in a bad light. Basically the only scenario that would possibly keep us all alive is if we don't kill Lommy and she's not the seer. Ugh, I don't know...this is a really difficult decision as the choice we make could be fatal.

Anyway, if we don't kill Lommy and it's between Rikae and Aganzir, I choose Rikae. Okay, both could be gifteds, but at least in Rikae's case there's a good chance she won't be protected.

-Brinn

Originally Posted by Nerwen

I meant the risk of killing her. It's a hard decision– as you say, if Lommy's the Seer it's very bad news, whether we kill her or not– either way, Sally's probably done for, and maybe Brinn as well. I don't see any sign Lommy suspects me– in fact, the big risk in leaving her alive is that– if she is the Seer– she might eventually dream me to make sure I can be trusted. Perhaps I should start dropping a few hints of my own?

If you don't want to kill Lommy, I'd prefer Aganzir, but Rikae's okay with me.

It's hard to know how the coming Day will pan out. I think we must be prepared to sacrifice Mac (our presumed Ferny). I think I might be taking a good, hard look at young Sally too... why was she trying to save him? etc.

~Nerwen.

Originally Posted by Sally

I agree that keeping Lommie alive is the 'safest' course of action. By the by, my plan was only meant as a last resort; in no other circumstance would I suggest using it nor would I betray a packmate like that, so I think that if possible we should not kill Lommie and if worse comes to worse we'll have to do our best to cope with it. Hopefully she's not the seer and she's just scarily right.

Agan or Rikae? I'd actually pick Agan. If Rikae happens to be the seer, Nerwen is probably toast. That's not really why I'd want her kept though; I just still have that feeling that killing Agan would be a good choice. I don't know, it's just one of those....things, if that makes any sense whatsoever. Though if you two would rather kill Rikae I wouldn't complain too much, as I think it would be good to get rid of her eventually as well, and since (though I didn't read her posts in too much detail) she seems to have backed off Nerwen a tad I think now would be an okay time to axe her. Up to you two lovely ladies.

Originally Posted by Sally

X'd with our lovely Mistress Nerwen. I already said this, but yeah, I think Agan should be our kill.

However, I think at this point I think we should start worrying about Frodo, because if Lommie is the seer (or if the seer reveals) we'll need all the help we can get.

[NON-SEQUITOR ALERT!]
Here's THE crackiest idea I've ever had, and yes, you are free to ignore it, because I think it's complete rubbish as well but I have to put it out there. What if....what if Lommie is Frodo? I mean, if she's figured out who we are and she for some reason wants to be changed, what better way to draw our attention?
[/NON-SEQUITOR ALERT!]


Okay, I'll go ahead and send this and see if I have more PMs. Back soon~!

~~Sally~~

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Not really... if she's dead her hints about me remain ambiguous, and I might well be able to talk my way out of it. Besides, it would take the heat off you two.

I still wouldn't mind Agan, though.

~Nerwen.

Originally Posted by Sally

Very true. I just think that since she didn't have any reasoning behind it people might take it as seer hints. I'm not saying it's a bad choice, and if we do it we should do it soon.

I'm still up for Agan too. Where's Miss Brinn?

Originally Posted by Brinn

Hah, yeah that'd be funny...though not worth the risk. Hopefully she is not the seer and hopefully she will back off on us some so we can kill her later.

Sigh, alright if you two want to kill Aganzir then we will. After all, I disagreed already last Night and I would really regret not killing her if you two are right. I just feel doubtful that she's gifted (though it's partly due to meta reasons...she was an assassin in last game and either a hunter or ranger the game before) and worry she might be protected. If she's protected or Rikae does turn out gifted, I'm gonna repeat what morm told me and say you two can go eat a shoe. So hopefully I'm the one that's wrong again.

I've just realised Sally, you've requested to keep Lommy for three Days now. I just hope it turns out to be a good thing.

This strangely reminds of last game I was a wolf...except this time I feel like mormegil. Let's just hope toMorrow turns out differently than it did in Fea's game.

--Brinn

And it didn't.

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Sally, our PMs crossed again. Re: your suggestion about Lommy– impersonating the Seer is a thing Frodo might well do, but I don't know about Lommy-Frodo, since she doesn't like being a wolf... although she's been one so often recently she might have got used to it.

Urgent announcement: I just found out my family are going down the Coast for the weekend, which means I'll have to vote early-ish tomorrow and will have very patchy Internet access for a couple of days. So you two will be more-or-less on your own in that time. If the Seer reveals and names me, or there's any other reason to lynch me, go for it.

Otherwise I'd rather stay alive, as I may not have opportunity to make the most of my death by gifted impersonation, incriminating innocents, etc.

~Nerwen.

Originally Posted by Brinn

Okay guys, just to confirm the kill...our choice is Aganzir, right? Or do we intend to change it last minute like we almost did last Night?

I just want to be sure...
-Brinn

Originally Posted by Nerwen

As I said, I'd actually prefer taking the risk of killing Lommy... but I suppose you two are the ones who'll be implicated, so I'm not going to force the issue.

Other than that, I don't have a strong preference for Rikae or Aganzir. I doubt either of them will be protected.

~Nerwen.

Originally Posted by Kitanna

What a shame. She has to go? Because Aganzir is your new wraith.

I will notify her now.

~Kit

Originally Posted by Brinn

I'll just have to thank you two for your insistence. I told you I shouldn't go with my gut, and look what happens. In fact, Lommy probably isn't even a seer after all. You know what, you guys should just decide the kills from now on....and won't say anything. Or if I do, I'll pick my kill choice as someone I'm least comfortable with killing.

Oh and btw, Aganzir is our newest wraith.

Love you guys forever,
Brinn

Or maybe I should go with my gut. I don't know. But I'm still really thankful for the other two's preference for Agan. It's for that reason alone that I have no regrets for not killing Lommy on this particular Night.

If you want to see the PMs for the following Nights, you're gonna have to ask another wraith, considering I was lynched and all...