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Galin · 04-08-2009, 07:58 AM

On the names: in the First Age the Elves who crossed into Ossiriand were called Danwaith or Denwaith -- but this people called themselves Lindi (from the old clan-name *Lindai), and the country in which most of them settled they called Lindon (the Sindar previously had named this Ossiriand).

The Sindar, quickly recognizing the Lindi as kinsfolk of Lindarin origin, adopted the names, and then called them Lindil (singular Lindel) or Lindedhil, and the land Lindon, or Dor Lindon. And in Exilic Quenya (the tongue of the Noldor): '... the forms used (derived from the Sindar or direct from the Nandor) were Lindi and Lindon (or Lindóne).'

However these names were later replaced among the Sindar by Laegil, Laegrim 'Green Elves' -- given because of the greeness of the land of Lindon and because the Laegrim clothed themselves in green as and aid to secrecy. 'This term the Noldor translated into Quenya Laiquendi; but it was not much used.' That's the tale from Tolkien's essay Quendi And Eldar anyway (published in War of the Jewels). In The Silmarillion it is said that the singing of the Green Elves could be heard across the waters of Gelion 'wherefore the Noldor named that country Lindon, the land of music...'

In the relatively late text Of Dwarves And Men Tolkien notes that Gil-galad's people were mainly Noldorin, though in the Second Age the Elves of Harlindon were mainly Sindarin, and the region was a fief under the rule of Celeborn. Given that some of the Green Elves had earlier merged with the folk of Doriath, perhaps there were Lindi in the Second Age living in Harlindon, though Forlindon is not necessarily ruled out I think.

As noted in the thread already there were Green Elves in Galadriel's following, but this comes from Concerning Galadriel and Celeborn, a text which appears to have been revised in certain ways. For myself I'm not wholly sure Tolkien retained the sojourn to Nenuial: in this tale Amroth is born there, being Galadriel's son (a detail later revised), though I suppose the Tolkien-published text in The Road Goes Ever On where Galadriel '... passed over the Mountains of Eredluin with her husband Celeborn (one of the Sindar) and went to Eregion' could be a compressed version.

Anyway, just some stuff for possible consideration.

04-08-2009, 07:58 AM	#8
Galin Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 1,036	On the names: in the First Age the Elves who crossed into Ossiriand were called Danwaith or Denwaith -- but this people called themselves Lindi (from the old clan-name Lindai), and the country in which most of them settled they called Lindon* (the Sindar previously had named this Ossiriand). The Sindar, quickly recognizing the Lindi as kinsfolk of Lindarin origin, adopted the names, and then called them Lindil (singular Lindel) or Lindedhil, and the land Lindon, or Dor Lindon. And in Exilic Quenya (the tongue of the Noldor): '... the forms used (derived from the Sindar or direct from the Nandor) were Lindi and Lindon (or Lindóne).' However these names were later replaced among the Sindar by Laegil, Laegrim 'Green Elves' -- given because of the greeness of the land of Lindon and because the Laegrim clothed themselves in green as and aid to secrecy. 'This term the Noldor translated into Quenya Laiquendi; but it was not much used.' That's the tale from Tolkien's essay Quendi And Eldar anyway (published in War of the Jewels). In The Silmarillion it is said that the singing of the Green Elves could be heard across the waters of Gelion 'wherefore the Noldor named that country Lindon, the land of music...' In the relatively late text Of Dwarves And Men Tolkien notes that Gil-galad's people were mainly Noldorin, though in the Second Age the Elves of Harlindon were mainly Sindarin, and the region was a fief under the rule of Celeborn. Given that some of the Green Elves had earlier merged with the folk of Doriath, perhaps there were Lindi in the Second Age living in Harlindon, though Forlindon is not necessarily ruled out I think. As noted in the thread already there were Green Elves in Galadriel's following, but this comes from Concerning Galadriel and Celeborn, a text which appears to have been revised in certain ways. For myself I'm not wholly sure Tolkien retained the sojourn to Nenuial: in this tale Amroth is born there, being Galadriel's son (a detail later revised), though I suppose the Tolkien-published text in The Road Goes Ever On where Galadriel '... passed over the Mountains of Eredluin with her husband Celeborn (one of the Sindar) and went to Eregion' could be a compressed version. Anyway, just some stuff for possible consideration.