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Originally Posted by Nogrod
It reminds me of the status of Judas in the stories relating to Christ... so did he actually enable the whole redemption stuff and got lost himself while Christ just ascended to glory making Judas the real martyr, or what is it - and who was Christ then if Judas was the one "bringing the balance" (sorry)? Anyway, if God is omniscient he anyway knew and thus sacrificed Judas, right? Sorry. But you should think about it one day.
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I want to eventually get to the other points you brought up,
Nogrod, because they're really interesting, but for now let me just mention this verse, which is germane to the Judas discussion: "The Son of Man goes just as it is written of Him, but woe to that man by whom the Son of Man is betrayed! It would have been good for that if he had never been born." (Jesus speaking, in the book of Mark, chapter 14, verse 21.) Enjoy.