[Galin]

Originally Posted by haste

(...) "For the Lord of the Galadrim is accounted the wisest of the Elves of Middle-earth, and a giver of gifts beyond the power of kings. He has dwelt in the West since the days of dawn, and I have dwelt with him years uncounted;"

Now that is Galadriel talking to the company and I was just wondering if anyone knows if "The West" stated in that quote is Aman or Beliriand.

The general West of Middle-earth, it would seem. In his history of Galadriel and Celeborn Christopher Tolkien notes that the concept underlying Galadriel's words to Frodo includes Celeborn being a Nandorin Elf (it's a little more complicated if we look at the very early draft versions here).

Of course Tolkien revised the idea, if not the text, before The Lord of the Rings was published, with Celeborn becoming Sindarin.

Originally Posted by Keeper of Dol Guldur

Treebeard near the end of Book III said in elvish, something like "welcome, beautiful ones and parents of beautiful children." Children, plural, which tends to say that there were more than just Celebrian (and later Arwen Undomiel as grand-daughter). This could support the claim that Amroth was Celeborn's son.

Tolkien abandoned this however (in a late text Amroth is the son of Amdir). Also, Christopher Tolkien thinks it unlikely that his father considered Amroth Galadriel's son while writing The Lord of the Rings. Hammond and Scull note this in their Reader's Companion, and suggest: 'Treebeard probably is referring more generally to their descendants.'

In The Road Goes Ever On falmalinnar is broken down with the indication that -li means 'many'. Compare to the stem LI- as it stood in the Etymologies (at least) found in The Lost Road: 'LI- many. Q. lie people; -li pl. suffix, lin- prefix=many...'

Treebeard's vanimálion 'of fair ones' might really mean 'of many fair ones', which maybe implies the ent is being very general here. This is one specific interpretation of -li, but that noted, Tolkien's Words, Phrases and Passages (relatively recently published in Parma Eldalamberon 17) has at least now echoed the interpretation.

'falmali 'many waves' (PE17 p. 73) 'Q. -li, i-falma-li-nna-r, the-foam wave-many-towards-pl. ending,' (PE17 p. 127)

If 'many fair ones', this would hardly seem to refer to two children, if Amroth is meant; not to mention one child if he is not meant.

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