[satansaloser2005]

Sorry I took so long, but I got loads of distracted. Without further ado....




Durelin’s first post is that ‘evil’ lynch/lunch pun. That to me seems just silly, no evil intent. Now of course she could be evil, but the post itself seemed to be just in good fun.

Originally Posted by Durelin

Wolves - Round 1

Nogrod
Loslote

Wolves - Round 2

Glirdan
Kitanna

Cobbler - Wilwa, Isabel, Nerwen, Pitchwife, Boro

Should be lynched anyway - Sally

There is absolutely no reasoning behind this. None. (I know, she says something about it later. The point I was making was that she didn’t say anything at all when she put it up, and had given no prior suspicious, defenses, or thoughts of any serious kind. Or any kind, for that matter.)


In post #48 Pitch asks Durelin for her reasonings. Erm, and Pitch is dead. (Heh, I just wanted to be mean and put that out there. The odds of his death being related to this particular post are nil.) Also, Lottie seconds Pitch’s question in her #52.

Originally Posted by Nog

Durelin - A tough one: first she was to "lunch" anyone of us and now a list with no reason whatsoever on anyone. A bit too attention-seeking to be a wolf but then again she's bold and been around long enough.

How is she attention-seeking exactly? More like she’s trying to stay under the radar (at least as far as actual suspicion). But she is bold, as you say, and I do think it’s possible she’s playing very wildly (although up to this point that is defined by near-silence) in order to seem less obvious.

Originally Posted by Pitch

Might vote for:
- Dury for combination of submarining and unexplained suspicions

And again, Pitch and I agree. Durelin’s drawing attention to herself by thus far not drawing attention. Of course a wolf wouldn’t really be that unobviously obvious, would they? Perhaps.

Originally Posted by Durelin

I'm not going to explaining myself this time. No one ever listens anyway.

Too many people... (I know, there's really not as many as usual...)

I'll try to come up with something.

*snuggles you* Poor defeated Durelin. Then again, she’s just making another post of nothing. (Of course to be fair I often make reactionary posts with not a lot of substance, so I’m certainly not going to lynch her just based on this.)

Originally Posted by Durelin

So the reasons for my groupings: the voices in my head? It's like gut feeling. It tells me things. Indigestion does make the voices more talkative.

Basically, Nogrod's first couple posts gave me a vibe of some vague sort. Loslote is annoyingly agree-able and like 'im going to be helpful!' But so is Sally.

Glirdan seemed like low-radar wolf somehow, and Kitanna seemed like 'I'm going to be the sense in this chaos and skate through silly Day 1 mwaha.'

But Pitchwife could be the same thing.

And Isabel is low-radar skater wolf.

Hehe.

Another insanity plea. Hehe. Anyway, to business. As mentioned before, she leaves out Nerwen, Wilwa, and Boro. Funny, ain’t it, that one of them was the cobbler and the other two are (especially for Nerwen) very suspicious looking. I find it interesting. Also, mind that I’ve had things said about me not giving ‘actual’ reasons for my suspicions. Well, look what’s going on here. Nothing. Although I do enjoy a good evil cackle, I must say.

Originally Posted by Pitch

OK, a shot in the dark:
++Durelin
Sorry, but we might actually listen if you gave us something to listen to...

And....he ended up dead. I meah, yeah, it wasn’t the same Night, and it may have had nothing to do with that, but I still find it interesting. (Thus it’s either wolf!Durie trying to protect her interests or someone trying to set her up. Of course mind you that I drew the same conclusions when I was analyzing Nerwen so it’s possible I’m paranoid, but given that and a couple other things I may be leaning toward them being packmates. Maybe. Not sure yet. Gah, I’m conflicted.)


Lottie said in #96 that she wouldn’t vote Durelin because of her little non-retaliation code, but after she realized she’d made a mistake she didn’t say anything about her in correction.

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Durelin– nothing really, except that she hasn't contributed much... and Lottie did that odd thing of saying she suspected her, but wouldn't vote her because of her "code".

And Nerwen didn’t say anything about her here, except that she’s so quiet. Fair enough.

Originally Posted by Glirdan

Okay, these two posts make me uneasy, but more of "Look at me, I'm the Cobbler" sort of way. No explanation of any sorts from the first post and the second just seems like a "I'm going to just be a menace and make no sense but try to seem helpful" kinda thing...Or maybe that's the delirium again.

Hmmmm....interesting. In general Glirdan tends to get a bad feeling from her. (I’m just pointing this out because we know he’s innocent, so he clearly didn’t have ulterior motives.)

Originally Posted by Durelin

I'm sorry, but don't expect a lot of contribution. I'll be around, but I'm always so busy...busy, busy... Time is a terrible thing to waste. Or is that the mind?

I'm pretty lost and rather wanting to vote people who have no votes. But that is not a good idea at this time. So...of the people who have votes.

++Loslote

Seems the worst to me, though it could very well be her style. I normally suspect Sally because of hers, though I now suspect her more because of her way of going about voting Wilwa. But I don't feel great about Wilwa either.

Ohhh bleh.

I just don’t get this post at all, actually. It’s an amalgamation of....stuff, and I don’t see sense in it. Other than that it created the tie between Lottie and Wilwa, of course, and may or may not have prevented Durelin from getting lynched that Day. I’m not happy with it.


Her next couple posts are correcting and defending against Kit’s mistaken accusation. The tone of them seems fair enough, but almost too calculatedly ‘meh, don’t worry about it’.

Originally Posted by Nog

Dury ties Lottie with Wilwa 27 minutes before the DL.

She is absolutely non-readable. She's had Lottie on her list (of four to seven) from the very beginning but the only reason given is that she is "annoyingly agree-able and like 'im going to be helpful".

The final voting argument is: "Seems the worst to me, though it could very well be her style".

The only people she never mentions are Nerwen and... Wilwa!

Once again, Noggins’ noggin is noticing the same thing I did. (Weird, that, no joke.) Durelin is very careful to not leave a huge trace to anyone, and her lack of commentary on Nerwen and Wilwa is disconcerting. As I noted, she doesn’t have any reason for voting Lottie (which I’ll kind of excuse since it was Day One) but the rest of her doesn’t make sense either.

Originally Posted by Durelin

Hey there -- even though Kit isn't looking shiny to me, don't take up anymore about her messing up my posts. They were hardly clear, anyway, much less full of substance. Besides, I never read every post in a thread, and most of the ones I do 'read' I really skim. (Now you all know why you love me so much!)

Anyway...my gut is full of bad feelings for people. Except Sally all of a sudden for some reason. I'm kinda not caring about Glirdan or Wilwa (except for her last post, esp. her first lines which make no sense...I need to go back and look) right now. Isabel is bothersome in her barely existing, and Nerwen...I have no idea. Kitanna is creepy.

Nogrod and Pitch are bothering me. They've both taken opportunities to say how much they thought Loslote was innocent and reasonable. How nice and dandy of you two, but does it matter? Yes yes, you'll say I'm just bitter that I didn't get it right and voted for her...hah! If I was bitter every time I lynched a helpless innocent... Also, Nogrod for his thing on Nerwen's 'yay wolves' comment. Yay innocents = wolf, yay wolves = wolf...

Nogrod - I don't think I mentioned Boro either (technically I mentioned everyone in my list post, tyvm), but seeing as he was Two-Face I guess that won't get me very far. :P

The bothersome part here I’ve sort of already mentioned, but I’ll expound upon it now. The following people really have nothing to their name in Durelin’s mind: Glirdan, Wilwa, and Nerwen. Like, she doesn’t even have an opinion on them one way or another. I’m good (I think?) to her and Nog and Pitch are troublesome. Says that Nog is overreacting to Nerwen’s silliness and that she never really reads the thread closely.

Originally Posted by Durelin

Hmm, so...Kitanna gets a free pass? I know you said that you though the later voters more likely to be wolves, but does #2 really count as later?

Interesting point about Isabel's question about retraction.

So now she suspects Kit? I mean, not really, and she did say she was creepy before, but that looks to me like she’s trying to push people to suspect Kit (so they don’t suspect her?) more. She does have a point though, as I totally thought I was the only one taking a look at Kit’s posts.


Nog agrees with Durelin on Izzy in his post #175. Like he actually quotes her. Interesting.


In #178 Pitch says this of her:

Originally Posted by Pitch

Dury: pity she's so detached from the game, makes it hard to read her

I concur. Like I’ve said above, it’s hard to get any clear opinion on her because she seems to be all smoke and mirrors. She’s skirting the edge and it’s worrying.

Originally Posted by Durelin

Apparently it was picked up by both Nog and Sally, but I must say they took 'creepy' and somehow turned it into 'ah yes I agree with your case against her.' Sorta.

The mind is such an annoying thing...

Yeah, and if you’re evil I’m going to feel like crap for (sort of) listening to you. I suspected Kit already but I’ll admit you did push me over the edge a bit. And now she’s turning it around.


Izzy’s #183 mentions all the living except Durelin. Again, a point of interest. (Actually I’m a bit confused. In her Nerwen section she mentions Glirdan and Durelin but I’m not entirely sure who she’s talking about. Still, Durelin’s the only one who doesn’t get her own commentary.)


Erm, just kidding. Lol in the next post Izzy says she doesn’t know anything for sure, but that Durelin’s ‘middle-nefarious’. Sounds pretty lackluster to me. Dunno if it’s a wolf connection but it’s a point of interest. *shrugs*

Originally Posted by Durelin

That's chaotic evil to you, Ms.!

I don't like how Nogrod decided I was apparently innocent all of a sudden and started actually...quoting me and re-iterating things I've said about people. Well, he did it twice. That's...more than once.

I have no idea about Glirdan. And I have no idea who to vote for.

Isabel - the way I saw Pitch's giving of free passes was that really he meant it as a 'i of course knew Loslote was innocent, but these other peoples well...maybe they're problem is that they don't know her like I do...'

So it still bothers me.

I forget what else I was going to say bc I have someone talking in my ear...

Fair point on Nog, but at the same time he was already considering Kit on his own. See here.

Originally Posted by Nog

I was actually reading Kit as she gives the creeps to me as well... but if you're online Dury we could discuss about your irresponsibility of not reading the thread.

So he’s not agreeing with you here, at least not in an “I agree with Durelin” fashion. He happens to have the same opinion, yes, but he’s not parroting you. Also, he follows this post with an analysis of Kit, which he might have even started (and probably did) before you made that post. (I’m not defending Nog here so much as saying that Durelin’s logic is illogical.)

And other than that this post is, again, full of nothing useful or actually informative.

Originally Posted by Durelin

Let's change things up.

Sally or Nogrod? Both are bothering me, both seem opportunistic. I don't like the tactics (for lack of a better word) they are using for their choosing who to suspect and who to deem probably innocent. They seem calculated. Funny I'm lumping those two together...

As I said, I have someone talking in my ear...

++Sally (satansaloser2005)

So in her last post she attacked (for lack of a better word) Nog and said she had no idea for whom to vote, but now I’m tied for suspicion along with Nog. Gasp! She’s only really mentioned me once, and even then it wasn’t with any sort of definitiveness. Yes she votes me over Nog, whom she’s suspected as a wolf allegedly since Day One? Nonsensical? I think so!

(On another note, please notice that Nerwen voted for me after Durelin did. Just as a side note.)

Originally Posted by Wilwa

So first she suspects Nog and Pitch, and says she does not have bad feelings for Sally. She also says Kit is creepy and not shiny. The thing with Kit is that later (in that second quote, bolded part) she then says basically (atleast the way it seems to me) "oh, I called her creepy but I don't suspect her", and she doesn't seem to understand why someone would come to that conclusion in the first place, since she called it "interesting" (to me, creepy=suspicious, doubt I'm the only one to think that). Which seems odd to me. Then later she votes for Sally, when in that first quote it looks like Sally was the only one she felt good about.

So basically she goes from feeling good about Sally to suspecting her, and finding Kit creepy to saying she isn't going after her.

See, Wilwa’s noticed it too. So I’m no crazier than she is....erm, never mind. But this sums up Durelin’s pattern; she goes after or says she likes someone, then changes her mind on a whim it seems to go along with whatever she thinks will make her look....popular? Shiny? Innocent? Either way, she’s calculated and clever and still seems to be trying to avoid notice, even in who she suspects. I’m very worried by this pattern.

Originally Posted by Nog

But there is something I think everyone should consider.

Like this quote from the infamous Werewolf for Dummies -handbook.

Chapter II: Playing a wolf.

Part 3 - Social relations.

Rule 1.

Avoid enemies, avoid enemies, avoid enemies...

You can only be killed by the vilagers in a lynch-vote (except in the hands of a hunter, refer to the section 7 "Playing against different hunters") so it is of utmost importance you look agreeable enough to enough many players while not looking too agreeable. The best way to do that is not to step on too many toes at the same time. Pick those few (the one) you suspect carefully, don't suspect too many people at the same time as that makes you unpopular and adds to the chances of
you getting lynched.

Well, it's not as easy as that I'd say. But worth remembering. The wolves will wish to make you feel good, agree with you, play along, not suspect you.

K, so I know he’s not talking specifically about Durelin here but it’s a good note, and one I think Durelin’s been very careful to follow so far. Almost too careful.

Originally Posted by Kit

As far as her Day 1 accusations in that first set of groupings go I like how she accuses several people of trying to fly under the radar when she has been doing that. She's been a slippery one so far, keeping low, commenting enough to get by and sticking pretty well to those she suspects. Yet if people (Sally and Nogrod) in particular quote from her she distances herself from them. That's pretty unsettling to me.

I concur. And I don’t know why someone agreeing with you is so disconcerting. Both Nog and I had thought of voting Kit before Durelin brought it up, so I don’t see her problem. And good point on the reindeer thing too, as she’s hardly practicing what she posts.

Originally Posted by Durelin

Oh my, really? And according to Wilwa I'm in trouble for changing my mind about Sally.

You're reading me the wrong way, Kit. You read perhaps the most into my posts of anyone's (and mine are the shortest and the fewest! maybe that's why?) You're grasping but you're not grasping as much as some. Like Wilwa and...

Sally acting like a wolf under some pressure?

Nogrod still bugs me. He seems more agreeable than usual (in a trying to be nice and pleasant sort of sense), but I haven't really agreed with him much. And he just discussed how the wolves would try to be as pleasant as possible and stick to suspecting the fewest people possible. Hm.

I am getting similar feelings from Isabel and Nerwen (similar between them, not similar to Nog), but don't particularly suspect them right now, actually. And that's bugging me, too.

K, first of all, she corrects what Kit has said of her, saying that she’s being overanalyzed. (Heh.) Then I’m confused, as I’m not sure if she meant to trail off or if I’m meant to be the end of ‘like Wilwa and....’. Care to explain, Durelin? Just so I understand your meaning clearly?

Other than that Nog seems too agreeable to her and she gets chummy (?) feeling from Izzy and Nerwen. (Funny, ‘cause Nog said that too. Aaaand of course I can’t find it now. If he said it first I’ll accuse her of parroting and hypocrisy, and if she said it first I’ll kick Nog in the knees. Fair enough?) Nothing besides that though. Yet again.


Nog has a bit of a go at her in #217 for not reading the thread before making accusations. Meh.

Originally Posted by Durelin

No, I don't believe I am. What I am getting from you is your usual philosophying self, but more removed and involved in theory than any nitty-gritty wolf-attacking.

Kitanna seems very by-the-book and opportunistic (with her Loslote and Glirdan votes).

Sally is acting jumpy.

Nerwen...maybe she is a wolf, but I'm not feeling it. She seems too bold to me. She and Sally as the wolves would be interesting, though.

Wilwa and Izzy are just...well, Izzy makes more sense to me. Wilwa seems to pick and choose her suspicions carefully, and I see her arguments as struggling to find something.

Basically...my vote will be a surprise.

You know, after this stuff, I’m rather wishing I hadn’t voted Nerwen so I could vote for Durelin. (Yet, I’m mostly kidding.) She seems too disconnected and nonchalant to be a wolf, yet so much that I can’t help thinking it’s a mask of carelessness to cover up her furry face.

Originally Posted by Izzy

Durelin. She is just sitting back and trying not to get into this limelight we have going here. Does that make her wolfy? Depends on her motives. Unless a moth to the dramatics, people tend to avoid controversy and drama.

Very true on the last bit, but she’s avoiding any kind of anything most of the time. (And again, a shrugging off of Durelin suspicion by Izzy. I may be noticing a slacking pattern here.)


In her last post Durelin calls Kit opportunistic and says Nog and I are her next suspects, Nog more so than me. So then why did she vote for me? It’s truly puzzling!


Anyway, needless to say, I suspect Durelin a way lot. If Nerwen doesn’t turn out to be a wolf, Durelin has to be. Either that or she doesn’t deserve to survive out of pure slack.



EDIT: x'd with a very sleepy Wilwa. *snuggles her*