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Originally Posted by Sally
Also, your reasoning, it fails. Lottie didn't defend herself, she defended Phantom. And I....I wasn't even here. You knew this. Yet you still say that you preferred me, someone who wasn't here to say anything on her behalf, to someone who did have the chance and didn't say anything particularly helpful?
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I find it
very interesting that you're trying to make you look bad for suspecting you even through your absence, yet you
haven't mentioned anyone who's suspected
Glirdan, even though he was arguably around
less than you before his untimely demise.
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Originally Posted by Sally
What if I'm the seer? What if you had gotten your wish, and I would have been killed yesterDay rather than Lottie? Would you be happy about testing your suspicions then? I don't think so.
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What if the sky turns green and pigs start flying? What if there's no real purpose to this accusation other than the fact that it looks like you're accusing? But to answer anyway - you aren't the Seer. You wouldn't have been so irresponsible yesterday if you were.
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Originally Posted by Sally
For those who don't have time to read Shasta's list in full....
Innocent: Anyone who agrees with him
Undecided: People who haven't specifically agreed/disagreed with him....yet
Guilty: People who don't buy all his rubbish
Seriously, he even says that's his reasoning for who he trusts. Read the post.
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For those who don't have time to read this post, this is just more
Sally taking everything I say out of context as per usual in an attempt to make herself look better.
Folwren suspected both you and
Lottie yesterday, I believe, and was
correct on
Lottie, which is clearly what I meant, so this -
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Originally Posted by Sally
Foley seems correct? How would you know if her suspicions are correct unless you know everyone's roles?
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- is just
silly.
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Originally Posted by Phantom
Why?! It's exactly what Ordo-Phantom is ALWAYS hoping for! If I get Night-killed when there are gifteds still around I'm able to laugh and say with pride, "Ha! You killed the wrong person! Fooled you!"
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Call me crazy, but dying isn't high on ANYONE'S wishlist. Otherwise they wouldn't have signed up for the game in the first place.
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Originally Posted by Phantom
My reference of you to a previous game was regarding an issue of overarching playing philosophy (the randomness of Day 1s). Core Werewolf beliefs are less likely to change game to game.
My point to Nerwen about other reveals in other games not mattering was regarding an issue of precise timing and persons involved. My point was that in this village at this time with this set of villagers there was zero chance of a counter-reveal.
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If every single villager was a carbon copy of you, maybe. Let me repeat - you are not telepathic. You are not in everyone's heads. You cannot speak for everyone and the fact that you're trying to is insufferably arrogant (which you haven't actually been for a while).
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Originally Posted by Phantom
How can you agree with this when I have so completely trashed the notion? How does my bluff not make sense as an innocent?
FACTS:
1) I've done this exact thing multiple times as an innocent.
2) I did so at a time in which I was clearly not trying to influence the vote.
3) There was no negative risk whatsoever.
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1) That does not preclude you from doing it as a baddie.
2) So?
3) Except for... the part where... there totally... was?
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Originally Posted by Nogrod
phantom's actions just cry for the seer to dream of him. And looking at the mess he has managed to make - two Days more or less talking only about him - would make the seer more or less irresponsible if s/he didn't dream of him and check him.
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See my point re: the Seer not checking confirmed liars. I don't see why you're so intent on pushing the thought that
Phantom was Seer-dreamed (and you're also trying to say that he was dreamt innocent, as far as I can tell).
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Originally Posted by Eonwe
I actually suspect that if the phantom does have a special role, he's the Undecided Orc who decided to leave his record clean yesterDay so that he could choose without implications in the Night. And anyway, he's been trying to prove that he's innocent since the beginning, which would be beneficial to have the rest of us believe whatever role he chose to take.
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I actually like this theory and think it's plausible.
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Originally Posted by Inzil
Shasta- It's not so much what he's said; just that he seems very aggressive early on.
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What's your point? Why
shouldn't I be aggressive? Answer me that.