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Kath · 09-19-2010, 08:17 AM

About the kill: Given Izzy's focus on Lottie as being guilty it makes sense for her to be Night killed. I think it was her who said 'usually I can get Glirdan's guilt but this time I've got nada' or something along those lines. Possibly could have been read as a Seer hint, as well as her pursuit of Lottie.

phantom - to be honest I can never read him. Don't like his playing style. Doesn't mean he's evil. If he's good then great, let's hope he plays for his side to win this game.

wilwa - I quite like her explanation of her behaviour yesterDay. It was calm, measured and sensible. Not to say she doesn't know how not to come off as defensive if evil, but it looks okay to me. This: "if he's just an Ordo who was maybe trying to protect the Seer for a Night (though I can't see Phantom putting himself in the line of fire like that, at least not on the first Day)." she's wrong about - phantom often does that. Or some other strange plan that puts himself in the firing line rather than an actual Gifted. I see no problem with her splitting her vote either. Well, no, about the undecided Orc. While they hadn't officially chosen to be evil before Night 2 there is no reason they couldn't play towards that decision previously to that. AND wilwa reads that post of sally's as 'well done phantom'. Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe she WAS saying that. It just didn't read that way to me. wilwa was a little flippant about the defensiveness thing, but when you've been suspected for just trying to give an explanation enough times it does get irritating. "Kath: since she hasn't been on much, being a rep might get her to participate more." See my earlier post for why this might not be a good idea! If you do it, just make sure someone tells me!

sally - "There's very few better ways to test Phantom than to give him power, and the best time to do that is on the first Day when he can be vocal and annoying but do hopefully very little damage. And look at that, we got a wolf." Someone suggested that this was sally saying 'we voted phantom and he got us a wolf'. I don't think that's what she's saying. The two comments are next to each other but not related. I don't really like the 'I thought Lottie was wolvish but didn't want to comment on it' part. Being incoherent is fine, so long as you're imparting some information about your thoughts! (Well, at least, I posted a paragraph of utter rubbish about two games ago but at least it showed some evidence of what I was thinking - don't know if anyone picked out what I was trying to say though.

) Quite like her post about phantom though. It is a good description/explanation of his playing. Um, why when Nerwen pointed out what Shasta actually meant did sally still find it suspicious but when Shasta makes exactly the same point it's ok?

Inzil - "I could see no reason he would have legitimately revealed on Day 1, so I was already sceptical. But why would the elves not have taken him anyway to be on the safe side? There's no one to protect him." Because of exactly what you just said, you've answered your own question. No one thought it was real, they probably thought they had a better target in Izzy, and they figured leave him be to dominate more of the discussion toDay. "Kath- She's playing?" <-- Pah.

Kinda repeating what others have said on phantom ... but then so am I.

Celuien - phantom had an interesting point about Celuien with the vote for Boro, got to say I didn't pick up much from her yesterDay when I skimmed through.

Nerwen - "If you're not the Seer, you've made a false reveal that might bring the real one out in the open– and again, for no good reason." To phantom, but nah - pretty much every player here is seasoned and has played with him. Whoever is the Seer was never really going to take that seriously enough to reveal. Also, he revealed at the end of the Day and there was time enough and posts enough the next Day for any suddenly panicked Seer to think it over and not reveal in response. (I worry that I've just read phantom's post where he says the exact same thing - we rarely agree that much.

) Got to say I'm not totally happy with her focus on phantom actually, contrary to my earlier post. Her list of how phantom is playing is what he does every single game. Yeah I'm with her about what Shasta meant about how he'd rather sally had been lynched yesterDay. I don't think that was a particularly suspicious statement. Very interesting post about sally/phantom/Lottie. Good to have all those posts together and spelled out a bit. Interesting point on wilwa - when she's gleeful she has been wolvish in the past.

Shasta - I recall liking him yesterDay. He felt sensible. Ah but it was him who (to me) misread sally's post. I'm agreeing with most of what he's saying. Though I think he's missed some things. Those who said Lottie being guilty makes sally look better did explain their reasoning. This misunderstanding about him saying he'd rather have sally dead, it's quite interesting seeing the reactions to it. Who jumps on it as a slip and who disregards it. Yeees being aggressive ... but actually in a good way, he's making good points. Though I'd watch that, truly offending people isn't fun.

Greenie - agrees with me about sally. Ah and misread that post as well. Apart from that though I like Greenie here. She feels to be asking interesting and pertinent questions.

Legate - well, phantom DID reveal after Lottie's lynch was secured, but I actually think that makes him look more innocent as it didn't mess up the end of the Day or have the chance of any effect on the votes. He wasn't suspected enough to need to save himself with such a stunt. Good thoughts on what happened yesterDay I think. Happy with him as a Rep.

Rune - yup, completely agree with him about phantom. Fair point about sally. For both her and Lottie to vote phantom and be evil is a little unlikely. Not impossible though as they may have thought more people would jump on that given it was Day 1. Hmm, which is what Nerwen says, kinda agree there. Good list post. Reasoning behind everything.

Nog - short and sweet. Is this really Nog? Though I kind of agree with Shasta. We can't assume the phantom has been dreamt of. And with only one Elf down we can't assume that the Seer wouldn't keep quiet even if they had dreamt of phantom and found him to be evil. Ah he's playing statistics about sally. Fair enough.

Eonwe - sums up the phantom/Nerwen fight pretty well. Nice thinking on phantom's lack of voting. No, no I don't agree with him and Legate. phantom was in NO danger at the end of yesterDay when he 'revealed' - so that's not a reason for the reveal.

Lommy - being the mediator toDay! Some good points though I think. I'm actually pretty happy with Lommy so far this game so kudos to her if she's evil. And a Lommy flip-flop on wilwa. Due to questioning or re-reading. The answer to that might say something.

Conclusions coming shortly.

But first - quick point:
Aggressive/abusive: And I apologize for the strong wording here, but your third point is dumb.

Playing the game: For those who don't have time to read this post, this is just more Sally taking everything I say out of context as per usual in an attempt to make herself look better.

We've all seen nasty arguments and people getting very upset about things that have been said. Let's not go back to that eh? Keep things game-relevant. Being cross about being argued with/suspected/misunderstood doesn't give you the right to tell someone else they're stupid.

09-19-2010, 08:17 AM	#460
Kath Everlasting Whiteness Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Perusing the laminated book of dreams Posts: 4,533	About the kill: Given Izzy's focus on Lottie as being guilty it makes sense for her to be Night killed. I think it was her who said 'usually I can get Glirdan's guilt but this time I've got nada' or something along those lines. Possibly could have been read as a Seer hint, as well as her pursuit of Lottie. phantom - to be honest I can never read him. Don't like his playing style. Doesn't mean he's evil. If he's good then great, let's hope he plays for his side to win this game. wilwa - I quite like her explanation of her behaviour yesterDay. It was calm, measured and sensible. Not to say she doesn't know how not to come off as defensive if evil, but it looks okay to me. This: "if he's just an Ordo who was maybe trying to protect the Seer for a Night (though I can't see Phantom putting himself in the line of fire like that, at least not on the first Day)." she's wrong about - phantom often does that. Or some other strange plan that puts himself in the firing line rather than an actual Gifted. I see no problem with her splitting her vote either. Well, no, about the undecided Orc. While they hadn't officially chosen to be evil before Night 2 there is no reason they couldn't play towards that decision previously to that. AND wilwa reads that post of sally's as 'well done phantom'. Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe she WAS saying that. It just didn't read that way to me. wilwa was a little flippant about the defensiveness thing, but when you've been suspected for just trying to give an explanation enough times it does get irritating. "Kath: since she hasn't been on much, being a rep might get her to participate more." See my earlier post for why this might not be a good idea! If you do it, just make sure someone tells me! sally - "There's very few better ways to test Phantom than to give him power, and the best time to do that is on the first Day when he can be vocal and annoying but do hopefully very little damage. And look at that, we got a wolf." Someone suggested that this was sally saying 'we voted phantom and he got us a wolf'. I don't think that's what she's saying. The two comments are next to each other but not related. I don't really like the 'I thought Lottie was wolvish but didn't want to comment on it' part. Being incoherent is fine, so long as you're imparting some information about your thoughts! (Well, at least, I posted a paragraph of utter rubbish about two games ago but at least it showed some evidence of what I was thinking - don't know if anyone picked out what I was trying to say though. ) Quite like her post about phantom though. It is a good description/explanation of his playing. Um, why when Nerwen pointed out what Shasta actually meant did sally still find it suspicious but when Shasta makes exactly the same point it's ok? Inzil - "I could see no reason he would have legitimately revealed on Day 1, so I was already sceptical. But why would the elves not have taken him anyway to be on the safe side? There's no one to protect him." Because of exactly what you just said, you've answered your own question. No one thought it was real, they probably thought they had a better target in Izzy, and they figured leave him be to dominate more of the discussion toDay. "Kath- She's playing?" <-- Pah. Kinda repeating what others have said on phantom ... but then so am I. Celuien - phantom had an interesting point about Celuien with the vote for Boro, got to say I didn't pick up much from her yesterDay when I skimmed through. Nerwen - "If you're not the Seer, you've made a false reveal that might bring the real one out in the open– and again, for no good reason." To phantom, but nah - pretty much every player here is seasoned and has played with him. Whoever is the Seer was never really going to take that seriously enough to reveal. Also, he revealed at the end of the Day and there was time enough and posts enough the next Day for any suddenly panicked Seer to think it over and not reveal in response. (I worry that I've just read phantom's post where he says the exact same thing - we rarely agree that much. ) Got to say I'm not totally happy with her focus on phantom actually, contrary to my earlier post. Her list of how phantom is playing is what he does every single game. Yeah I'm with her about what Shasta meant about how he'd rather sally had been lynched yesterDay. I don't think that was a particularly suspicious statement. Very interesting post about sally/phantom/Lottie. Good to have all those posts together and spelled out a bit. Interesting point on wilwa - when she's gleeful she has been wolvish in the past. Shasta - I recall liking him yesterDay. He felt sensible. Ah but it was him who (to me) misread sally's post. I'm agreeing with most of what he's saying. Though I think he's missed some things. Those who said Lottie being guilty makes sally look better did explain their reasoning. This misunderstanding about him saying he'd rather have sally dead, it's quite interesting seeing the reactions to it. Who jumps on it as a slip and who disregards it. Yeees being aggressive ... but actually in a good way, he's making good points. Though I'd watch that, truly offending people isn't fun. Greenie - agrees with me about sally. Ah and misread that post as well. Apart from that though I like Greenie here. She feels to be asking interesting and pertinent questions. Legate - well, phantom DID reveal after Lottie's lynch was secured, but I actually think that makes him look more innocent as it didn't mess up the end of the Day or have the chance of any effect on the votes. He wasn't suspected enough to need to save himself with such a stunt. Good thoughts on what happened yesterDay I think. Happy with him as a Rep. Rune - yup, completely agree with him about phantom. Fair point about sally. For both her and Lottie to vote phantom and be evil is a little unlikely. Not impossible though as they may have thought more people would jump on that given it was Day 1. Hmm, which is what Nerwen says, kinda agree there. Good list post. Reasoning behind everything. Nog - short and sweet. Is this really Nog? Though I kind of agree with Shasta. We can't assume the phantom has been dreamt of. And with only one Elf down we can't assume that the Seer wouldn't keep quiet even if they had dreamt of phantom and found him to be evil. Ah he's playing statistics about sally. Fair enough. Eonwe - sums up the phantom/Nerwen fight pretty well. Nice thinking on phantom's lack of voting. No, no I don't agree with him and Legate. phantom was in NO danger at the end of yesterDay when he 'revealed' - so that's not a reason for the reveal. Lommy - being the mediator toDay! Some good points though I think. I'm actually pretty happy with Lommy so far this game so kudos to her if she's evil. And a Lommy flip-flop on wilwa. Due to questioning or re-reading. The answer to that might say something. Conclusions coming shortly. But first - quick point: Aggressive/abusive: And I apologize for the strong wording here, but your third point is dumb. Playing the game: For those who don't have time to read this post, this is just more Sally taking everything I say out of context as per usual in an attempt to make herself look better. We've all seen nasty arguments and people getting very upset about things that have been said. Let's not go back to that eh? Keep things game-relevant. Being cross about being argued with/suspected/misunderstood doesn't give you the right to tell someone else they're stupid. __________________ “If more of us valued food and cheer and song above hoarded gold, it would be a merrier world.”