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Old 04-05-2011, 11:33 PM   #20
Nikkolas
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Join Date: Jun 2008
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Nikkolas has just left Hobbiton.
As I said, I have no problem with a bit of grey. Turin was my favorite "hero" in The Silmarillion precisely because he broke from the mold and was atypical. Flawed undoubtedly, heroic certainly, and perpetually ruled by a curse that is apparently both created without and within. His character is transparent and we can plainly see his positive and negative traits.

Does this happen with the Valar? No. The narrative takes a clear direction that they are "too good and too pure". I don't buy that. I want them held accountable for their mistakes. I want their flaws to be highlighted as much as the flaws of Feanor or Turin.

And well, yeah, I guess my idea that free will doesn't really exist - at least when it comes to the Valar - does kind of shoot in the foot my condemning of them. Well this is why I've never been much of a debater.

And by "enslavement" I just meant conquest. Sauron's goal was to subjugate all people under his will as he believed he was the only one who could provide order to a world that desperately needed it.
I didn't mean he'd put elves and men in chains and have them bought and sold or anything like that.

Last edited by Nikkolas; 04-06-2011 at 12:06 AM.
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