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Kath · 11-04-2011, 06:33 PM

Vote tally from yesterDay:

Kath --> sally (As an incentive to be useful!)
Pitch --> Galadriel (For refusing to join in with useful discussion.)
Legate --> TEW (As an incentive to stop being lazy.)
Inzil --> Pitch (For accusing him of harping on and switching suspects suddenly.)
Kitanna --> Pitch (For trying to help packmate Bom not seem so wolvish? I think? Not sure here.)
Galadriel --> Pitch (For meta-game reasons.)
(Inzil, Kitanna and Galadriel all cross-posted these votes.)
Bom --> Pitch (Makes it 4 votes. No explanation in the vote post.)
Boro --> Kath (To make sure I explained my vote toDay.)
TEW --> Inzil (No explanation in vote post but based on previous suspicions.)
sally --> TEW (For a forced feel to his posts.)
Nerwen --> Kath (For an ill-reasoned vote.)

Didn't vote:
Greenie (I've been ignoring her as a modfire candidate. She'll vote toDay I'm sure.)
Azura
Laeko

Well it's pretty clear that Bom struck the decisive blow for Pitch. Having seen three cross-posted votes he definitely put the final nail in that coffin. If he is a wolf that seems a very bold move. Based just on this the people I'd be most suspicious of would be TEW and sally, given their votes. They knew Greenie wasn't reappearing and one newbie hadn't shown at all. Yet their votes go to two completely unrepresented people in the vote tally thus far. Throwaway votes really. TEW though we now know to be innocent. Therefore I can't be certain the same isn't true for sally.

So, to toDay:
Nerwen - said TEW would be trailless but hadn't yet checked the posts. Question about the analysis: She says the wolves shouldn't have seen TEW as Gifted given he backed off from the Legate suspicion, but then goes on to mention his 'nervous Gifted' behaviour. Either I'm not following your train of thought or you've flip flopped there Nerwen? I like the sword icon catch though.

Legate - good reasoning behind his ideas. Going for the no-trace option which I think is less likely, but is possible. Starts to suspect Galadriel after the same post I just read and didn't like. Going the opposite way to sally - thinking we have wolves laying low. Starting to suspect sally for not joining in. (Seeing a theme her Legate!). And Boro for not being jumpy enough I think!

Galadriel - voted for Pitch for meta-game reasons and then says he seemed so suspicious. Don't like that. An organised lynch is like a ... something that doesn't work. Pretty much unless the Seer reveals a wolf name near the beginning of the Day it just doesn't happen that everyone votes together. There can never be enough trust.

Kitanna - posts as a train of thought! I like it.

I'm not convinced about being suspicious of someone for muddling names up, it happens. Her other thoughts on Galadriel are pretty well reasoned though. I've discussed my vote. I hadn't thought about Nerwen's vote for me being suspicious. I was more pleased that she had chosen someone already on the potential lynch-list rather than a throwaway. Argues against modfire - reasonably. Ends up voting Bom for some well thought through reasons I think. Only thing I don't like about it is that Bom hasn't spoken yet toDay and it is tough voting someone when they haven't had a chance to defend themselves. That said, time limits are time limits.

Greenie - ambivalence about sally, suspicion of Nerwen for pushing others to suspect Pitch while avoiding it herself but then pretty much takes it back so nothing definite there. Suspects Zil but no reasoning/analysis.

sally - says she's ill. States she wanted to lynch TEW. A little odd given he's just been proven innocent. Feels we may have bold wolves. Meaning what sally? Loudmouths? Bandwaggonning voters? Begins the modfire discussion. sally says modfires lose us phases but 'I'm really fine either way, but you're being pretty cavalier with our numbers.' Sorry, you can't be fine about doing either, and be accusing someone else of being cavalier about numbers. If the modfires gain us phases then great, more Days to try and catch a wolf. If they lose us phases, fewer Days to try and catch a wolf. 'Fine either way' isn't really acceptable then!

Inzil - really don't like it when people apologise for their votes posthumously (ach, that's not the right words but you know what I mean.) Seems to scream guilt. Could be a particular playing style but even if so I don't like it. Some suspicion of Bom for his vote placement. Agrees with Kitanna about not voting modfires.

Boro - tries to meld the trailless kill vs set up options. Yeah fair point there could be more than one reason going on. TEW was chosen and there must have been a reason why he was chosen over others. Largely I think that has been decently analysed toDay. Questions Legate about his vote. Argues against modfires. I disagree with Boro about the cross-posting for Pitch. If all three cross-posted then to each person there was only one vote for Pitch for them at that time. They would have each been the first to vote. So how can their timing have been suspicious? There was no bandwagon until the cross-posting dust cleared.

Laeko - hey! Our newbie reappeared! This may change our entire modfire thoughts anyway! I like this so far - some good thoughts and reasoned suspicion of sally.

And just saw sally's post about Shasta's text. Normal modfire rules are ...? No vote for two Days or no posts for two Days?

Ok, posting this, going to do a vote tally for toDay (hah! That'll be time-consuming

) and then I'll vote.

11-04-2011, 06:33 PM	#141
Kath Everlasting Whiteness Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Perusing the laminated book of dreams Posts: 4,533	Vote tally from yesterDay: Kath --> sally (As an incentive to be useful!) Pitch --> Galadriel (For refusing to join in with useful discussion.) Legate --> TEW (As an incentive to stop being lazy.) Inzil --> Pitch (For accusing him of harping on and switching suspects suddenly.) Kitanna --> Pitch (For trying to help packmate Bom not seem so wolvish? I think? Not sure here.) Galadriel --> Pitch (For meta-game reasons.) (Inzil, Kitanna and Galadriel all cross-posted these votes.) Bom --> Pitch (Makes it 4 votes. No explanation in the vote post.) Boro --> Kath (To make sure I explained my vote toDay.) TEW --> Inzil (No explanation in vote post but based on previous suspicions.) sally --> TEW (For a forced feel to his posts.) Nerwen --> Kath (For an ill-reasoned vote.) Didn't vote: Greenie (I've been ignoring her as a modfire candidate. She'll vote toDay I'm sure.) Azura Laeko Well it's pretty clear that Bom struck the decisive blow for Pitch. Having seen three cross-posted votes he definitely put the final nail in that coffin. If he is a wolf that seems a very bold move. Based just on this the people I'd be most suspicious of would be TEW and sally, given their votes. They knew Greenie wasn't reappearing and one newbie hadn't shown at all. Yet their votes go to two completely unrepresented people in the vote tally thus far. Throwaway votes really. TEW though we now know to be innocent. Therefore I can't be certain the same isn't true for sally. So, to toDay: Nerwen - said TEW would be trailless but hadn't yet checked the posts. Question about the analysis: She says the wolves shouldn't have seen TEW as Gifted given he backed off from the Legate suspicion, but then goes on to mention his 'nervous Gifted' behaviour. Either I'm not following your train of thought or you've flip flopped there Nerwen? I like the sword icon catch though. Legate - good reasoning behind his ideas. Going for the no-trace option which I think is less likely, but is possible. Starts to suspect Galadriel after the same post I just read and didn't like. Going the opposite way to sally - thinking we have wolves laying low. Starting to suspect sally for not joining in. (Seeing a theme her Legate!). And Boro for not being jumpy enough I think! Galadriel - voted for Pitch for meta-game reasons and then says he seemed so suspicious. Don't like that. An organised lynch is like a ... something that doesn't work. Pretty much unless the Seer reveals a wolf name near the beginning of the Day it just doesn't happen that everyone votes together. There can never be enough trust. Kitanna - posts as a train of thought! I like it. I'm not convinced about being suspicious of someone for muddling names up, it happens. Her other thoughts on Galadriel are pretty well reasoned though. I've discussed my vote. I hadn't thought about Nerwen's vote for me being suspicious. I was more pleased that she had chosen someone already on the potential lynch-list rather than a throwaway. Argues against modfire - reasonably. Ends up voting Bom for some well thought through reasons I think. Only thing I don't like about it is that Bom hasn't spoken yet toDay and it is tough voting someone when they haven't had a chance to defend themselves. That said, time limits are time limits. Greenie - ambivalence about sally, suspicion of Nerwen for pushing others to suspect Pitch while avoiding it herself but then pretty much takes it back so nothing definite there. Suspects Zil but no reasoning/analysis. sally - says she's ill. States she wanted to lynch TEW. A little odd given he's just been proven innocent. Feels we may have bold wolves. Meaning what sally? Loudmouths? Bandwaggonning voters? Begins the modfire discussion. sally says modfires lose us phases but 'I'm really fine either way, but you're being pretty cavalier with our numbers.' Sorry, you can't be fine about doing either, and be accusing someone else of being cavalier about numbers. If the modfires gain us phases then great, more Days to try and catch a wolf. If they lose us phases, fewer Days to try and catch a wolf. 'Fine either way' isn't really acceptable then! Inzil - really don't like it when people apologise for their votes posthumously (ach, that's not the right words but you know what I mean.) Seems to scream guilt. Could be a particular playing style but even if so I don't like it. Some suspicion of Bom for his vote placement. Agrees with Kitanna about not voting modfires. Boro - tries to meld the trailless kill vs set up options. Yeah fair point there could be more than one reason going on. TEW was chosen and there must have been a reason why he was chosen over others. Largely I think that has been decently analysed toDay. Questions Legate about his vote. Argues against modfires. I disagree with Boro about the cross-posting for Pitch. If all three cross-posted then to each person there was only one vote for Pitch for them at that time. They would have each been the first to vote. So how can their timing have been suspicious? There was no bandwagon until the cross-posting dust cleared. Laeko - hey! Our newbie reappeared! This may change our entire modfire thoughts anyway! I like this so far - some good thoughts and reasoned suspicion of sally. And just saw sally's post about Shasta's text. Normal modfire rules are ...? No vote for two Days or no posts for two Days? Ok, posting this, going to do a vote tally for toDay (hah! That'll be time-consuming ) and then I'll vote.