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Galin · 11-14-2012, 12:22 PM

In my personal version Glorfindel arrives without the Istari, yes.

There are a couple of late notes however, one which says that Glorfindel met Gandalf at the Havens, and generally notes that the Wizards did not come at the same time. But another of these notes relates that the 'other two' came much earlier: '... at the same time probably as Glorfindel, when matters became very dangerous in the Second Age.' Christopher Tolkien footnotes Glorfindell II here, and 'about the year 1600' for the date.

But as Tolkien had already published (Appendix B) that the Istari appeared in Middle-earth in the Third Age, I accept Glorfindel's return date as around Second Age 1600, but not this date for the 'other two' wizards -- called the 'Blue Wizards' often enough although I'm still not sure Tolkien himself stuck to this term.

That said I rather like the idea of Glorfindel sailing with Gandalf, but Tolkien appears to have revised this in the second form of his late musings about Glorfindel.

11-14-2012, 12:22 PM	#2
Galin Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 1,036	In my personal version Glorfindel arrives without the Istari, yes. There are a couple of late notes however, one which says that Glorfindel met Gandalf at the Havens, and generally notes that the Wizards did not come at the same time. But another of these notes relates that the 'other two' came much earlier: '... at the same time probably as Glorfindel, when matters became very dangerous in the Second Age.' Christopher Tolkien footnotes Glorfindell II here, and 'about the year 1600' for the date. But as Tolkien had already published (Appendix B) that the Istari appeared in Middle-earth in the Third Age, I accept Glorfindel's return date as around Second Age 1600, but not this date for the 'other two' wizards -- called the 'Blue Wizards' often enough although I'm still not sure Tolkien himself stuck to this term. That said I rather like the idea of Glorfindel sailing with Gandalf, but Tolkien appears to have revised this in the second form of his late musings about Glorfindel.