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Old 07-05-2013, 12:03 AM   #1507
Pervinca Took
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2. Girl in insult in gate

Just wondering if that could be MorANNon.

I saw the word "moan" and thought "that's not really an insult," but now I've just typed it above, I see "moron," which definitely is.

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Originally Posted by Mithalwen View Post
Maybe I have been unfair since I have been misreading that as a question. It could be can't as in not permitted to take the straight road. Frodo's response hints at that interpretation as does Sam's original statement of well I've come back...
Sam could possibly mean both at once, but I think his main weighting would be that he can't go now he has a wife and child. As Frodo said earlier, "You can't go far or for a long time now, of course." Also Frodo knew that sailing west when he still had most of his life ahead of him was not right for Sam, family or no family, and was happy and I think relieved that Sam wanted to marry Rose and had so much "to enjoy, and to be, and to do."

I would guess that the issue of Sam also being permitted passage west as a Ringbearer would have come up in the talks JRRT tells us must have taken place between Frodo and the various bearers of the Three in Minas Tirith and (more especially) in Rivendell), and perhaps along the road between the two. There is a strong sense of knowing when a person's time has or hasn't come and respecting and honouring that in Tolkien (amongst the wise, with a capital and with a small W). It's when, for instance, Numenoreans try to cling on to life for too long that decay is setting in and disaster isn't that far away.

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Maybe I have been unfair since I have been misreading that as a question.
Well, I remember that William Nighy's Sam pronounced it as a question.


5. Ancestor of such points to half-elf

If you remove the geographical points (N E S W) from ELROND you get "lord," and if you do the same to EARENDIL you get "laird" (Scottish for "lord.")

That doesn't really mean ancestor, though ... one might almost called a forefather one's "lord," but it's stretching it a bit. Hmmm ....

Unless AR can be short for ancestor (first and last letter) plus WEN (three of the main compass points).

Ah hang on - the ancestor of the half-elf is the one we're looking for. Back to drawing board.


3. Wood looses direction but gains negative city

I'm going to guess FORNOST for this.

FOREST for wood, lose the E for direction, gain NO for Fornost.
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