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Old 03-05-2014, 03:44 PM   #9
Ivriniel
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Originally Posted by William Cloud Hicklin View Post
The silent conversation between the Wise in Dunland, late in RK, is certainly Osanwe (and has nothing to do with the Three Rings, which by then were merely historically-significant jewelry).
I'm going to hold you to that--respectfully. I have not read my materials about the Three and messaging for a long while, but I'm going to find them. The question for me is whether or not there was a residual capacity of the Three. Galadriel's commentary in Lothlorien about the Rings, or other comments I read, implied that the Rings would not become entirely worthless, but merely overly impotent to do anything great. I formed the inference for a reason, I recall, but just cannot, for the life of me, remember where I read it. (Though the Dunland meeting of the Wise rings a bell. Can you quote from it, please?)

But--we also know that Sauron could put thoughts into the heads of the Nine before they were wraiths, during the transformation phase, with increasing tendency. It's implied from the comments about the Mortal Men when Tolkien says that their minds were filled with phantoms or thoughts and they could not discern that those were not their own.

Sauron's presence through The Three, when their wielders took the Rings off (TA) during the War of Elves and Sauron emphasises the point. I believe they couldn't use the Rings during the War of Elves and Sauron for that reason.

[edit]".....the Rings off (TA) during...." should read ".....the Rings of (SA) during..." [/edit]

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