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Alfirin · 05-02-2014, 10:27 AM

What do you think would have happened if Sauron had made NO ruling ring, or more accurately if he hadn't NEEDED to? That is, what do you think would have happend if Sauron had twisted the making of the lesser rings in such a manner that he could control all of them and thier owners DIRECTLY, without the One Ring as an intermediary? In other words, if we were in a situation where the Power of the Ring and the Power of Sauron himself the entity were not and could not be seperated in any sense, where he COULDN'T be "diminished" that way.
I think in a sense, we get a little of this in the Nazgul themselves. They are tied to the one ring in the sense that they can only exist so long as it does (in a certain sense, it is powering their continued life) but the fact that Sauron has no trouble calling them back to him when he techically does not posses the one ring, and the fact that, should they ever get the one ring the would automatically bring it back to Sauron without any thought of even TRYING to claim it for themselves indicates pretty strongly to me they are bound more to Him than It (and while we here much specualtion on it, there is really no tangible proof in, that, if someone else claimed the ring and tried to challenge Sauron, the Nazgul would come and serve them.)
But imagine if that sort of bond occured to ALL the rings more or less instantaneously, where as long as Sauron existed, anyone who had one of the lesser rings was his instant and total slave the moment they put one of them on, where the corruption of the rings was irresistable. In other worlds, where Sauron had not only the Nine Nazgul under his ethernal control, but seven great dwarf kings (since one would assume the rings would not pass down in this case, and I don't have my books with me, I'm not sure WHICH seven kings. Presumaby in this case, Sauron would see them distributed to the head of each of the Seven Houses of Dwarves, so as to have most of dwarfdom under his ultimate control.) And More imporatanty three of the most powerful Elves in ME and thier peoples; a world where Elrond, Galadriel and Cirdan were Sauron's slaves (again, I don't have my books here, so if I've screwed up who were the intial three recipients, my apologies.)

05-02-2014, 10:27 AM	#24
Alfirin Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 435	To shift the argument the other way...... What do you think would have happened if Sauron had made NO ruling ring, or more accurately if he hadn't NEEDED to? That is, what do you think would have happend if Sauron had twisted the making of the lesser rings in such a manner that he could control all of them and thier owners DIRECTLY, without the One Ring as an intermediary? In other words, if we were in a situation where the Power of the Ring and the Power of Sauron himself the entity were not and could not be seperated in any sense, where he COULDN'T be "diminished" that way. I think in a sense, we get a little of this in the Nazgul themselves. They are tied to the one ring in the sense that they can only exist so long as it does (in a certain sense, it is powering their continued life) but the fact that Sauron has no trouble calling them back to him when he techically does not posses the one ring, and the fact that, should they ever get the one ring the would automatically bring it back to Sauron without any thought of even TRYING to claim it for themselves indicates pretty strongly to me they are bound more to Him than It (and while we here much specualtion on it, there is really no tangible proof in, that, if someone else claimed the ring and tried to challenge Sauron, the Nazgul would come and serve them.) But imagine if that sort of bond occured to ALL the rings more or less instantaneously, where as long as Sauron existed, anyone who had one of the lesser rings was his instant and total slave the moment they put one of them on, where the corruption of the rings was irresistable. In other worlds, where Sauron had not only the Nine Nazgul under his ethernal control, but seven great dwarf kings (since one would assume the rings would not pass down in this case, and I don't have my books with me, I'm not sure WHICH seven kings. Presumaby in this case, Sauron would see them distributed to the head of each of the Seven Houses of Dwarves, so as to have most of dwarfdom under his ultimate control.) And More imporatanty three of the most powerful Elves in ME and thier peoples; a world where Elrond, Galadriel and Cirdan were Sauron's slaves (again, I don't have my books here, so if I've screwed up who were the intial three recipients, my apologies.)