(My penultimate post on this topic)Perhaps it would pay to put up some QUOTES. I don't recall having read any definite quotes (page number etc) in this whole debate. But red has convinced me for now- insufficient evidence, we need another option.
P.S What are all these non-novices doing on this page any way
[ October 03, 2001: Message edited by: Halbarad ]
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-Halbarad to Aragorn, 'The Passing of the Grey Company' Book V, Return of the King."A little people, but of great worth are the Shire-folk. Little do they know of our long labour for the safekeeping of their borders, and yet I grudge it not"
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