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Old 12-04-2015, 03:11 PM   #2
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I interpret Frodo's failure to be inevitable. I don't think any other being, or 'person', would have been able to destroy the Ring of Power willingly. Maybe with the exception of Tom Bombadil, but I won't dive into this topic right now. As I see it, the person who destroys the ring willingly, at the cracks of Mt. Doom, would have to be a person who rejects the very possibility of any kind of influence to the world around him, a person without any interest in his own fate and in the fate of others. The problem is that this 'being' would be, essentialy, an 'un-person'. So, I don't put any blame on Frodo. I think his decision, if you could call it that way, is very understandable in the given situation.
Tolkien made it clear in later writings that Frodo indeed was totally incapable of harming the Ring intentionally when he stood at the Sammath Naur. At that time and place the Ring's power was at its zenith, and only "fate" allowed for its destruction through an unconscious act.

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It's necessary to stress that Frodo's actual achievements are different from that. He made it to Mt. Doom and brought the Ring to the right place. A indispensable requirement for the destruction of the Ring. He also, against his initial attitude, didn't kill off Gollum and, more so, allowed him to accompany him. This was, in hindsight, the second requirement, as Gandalf vaguely (and wisely) predicted.
Correct. Frodo's achievement was in bringing the Ring to the point where its destruction was possible, and it had taken every bit of his strength to do just that.
The mercy he showed Gollum, which led to an end no one foresaw, was tied to his special understanding as a Ring-bearer of the torment Gollum had endured.

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How literal can we take Sam's vision?! Did the Ring really speak to Gollum, or was this just Sam's imagination? Those questions are highly debatable. But let's just assume, for the following thought, that it was indeed the voice of the Ring of Power. The thing that irks me is that the Ring's verdict (or doom) towards Gollum comes true. Gollum dares to touch the thing again and is cast into the Fire of Doom. This includes, ironically, the Ring itself.
Yes, my belief is that the Ring's "spirit", that is to say, Sauron's, was speaking through Frodo, whom it had temporarily wholly conquered. The fact that the threat was quickly brought to bear was not the intention of the Ring, but merely another example of the true Power pulling the strings using evil to work good.

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Here comes, finally, my question to you: Do you think that it's plausible to say that the Ring, due to his very nature, settled his own doom? Is evil, with it's inherent immutable determination and fatalism eventually disadvantaged?! In the end it was Gandalf's way of thinking that saved the day. Frodo took his careful indecision towards Gollum to heart and, "irrationally", trusted this advice. The Ring itself, on the other hand, condemned Gollum beyond a doubt and issued a non-revocable death sentence, so to speak.
I would say Sauron sealed the fate of the Ring by his personal weakness. The Ring itself had actually done what its Maker intended: the "possesser" (in quotes, because in fact the role was reversed) had brought it almost all the way back to him. Sauron had had Gollum as a captive not too long before, and it was his own impatience that pushed him to release Gollum, knowing Gollum would hunt for "Baggins" himself, and thinking thus to be led to the Ring.
Sauron got distracted though, and by the time Gollum had his attention again, it was too late. He had led the Ring-bearer into Mordor.
If Sauron hadn't let Gollum go, trusting in his ability to monitor his movements, Frodo and Sam could hardly have made their way to Mt. Doom.
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