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Originally Posted by denethorthefirst
There are probably several dwarven kingdoms in the east. We know that all the dwarven houses united to fight the orcs of the misty mountains in the war of the orcs and dwarves. Since the only dwarven states/groups that are mentioned in the west are those in the iron mountains, the blue mountains, erebor and moria the remaining houses must have come from the east. If I remember correctly four of the seven dwarven houses originated in the east. Considering that Sauron couldn't conquer Moria I guess it's likely that these dwarven pockets survived during the second and third ages even though Sauron ruled the surrounding areas.
I always wondered what happened to the Avari. It's possible I guess that they prospered relatively uninterrupted in the first age while Morgoth was locked up in the North during his war with the Noldor. Luckily for the Avari he wasn't in a position to divert much of his attention to the rest of arda during the wars in Beleriand. Maybe the Avari built several great kingdoms, or maybe they lacked the population numbers and necessary culture to built successful states and got annihilated in wars against dwarves, men and morgoths surviving monsters from his days at utumno.
At least by the time of the second Age, when Sauron expanded eastwards, the peaceful time for the Avari probably ended and they were either enslaved or hunted down.
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Morgoth's Ring, specifically the
Athrabeth Finrod ah Andreth, Tolkien does mention that Morgoth, or one of his lieutenants, got out to Hildórien to muck things up for the Early Humans in Middle-earth, turning them completely to Morgothism (worship of Morgoth), and turning them away from their "Gift," causing them to fear Death rather than welcoming it when their time was allotted.
And Tolkien in his exploration of Orcs, and where they come from mentions that Morgoth got out East quite a bit, even in the
First Age (Probably not personally, unless we count the
possible once that he left to go enslave humanity).
But the Avari could still have built significant kingdoms out there.
There is even some room to look into extra-canonical Peoples out there representing an Idealized East-Asian kingdom, with an associated Elven Kingdom.
I heard someone at a convention bring that possibility up, as a group of "Faithful" who fled even further East, rather than West.
MB