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**lindil** · 11-12-2003, 07:04 PM

Phantom, you are quite correct in underscoring Maeglin's 'greatness' was specifically tied to Gondolin. How could it be great outside of it? THe only he thing he ever did outside of Gondolin [before betraying it] was travel there with his mother and go to the Nirnaeth Arnoediad [with 10,ooo other Gondolindrim]. His 'fame' was a purely local one.

As for him being a prince of the Noldor this is due to being a grandson of Finwe. Prince is often used loosely to describe heirs and even royal cousins. THe son of a Duke forinstance is often styled a prince [at least in some quarters].

Once Tuor married Idril he to may have been reffered to as Prince, though we see no direct evidence of it. Indirectly the fact that Their son Earendil is given the rule of the refugees at the moth of the Sirion is however, indicitave of it.

Re: Maeglin's fall

Imo he inherited his father Eol's [the quintesssential 'dark' elf] inability to nobly court a woman. With Eol he grabs the first bright ray of femininity that strays into his woods [it would seem]. Even a moments reflection on his part would have yeilded the obvious fact that she was a Noldorin Princess and he HATED the Noldor.

We also see an inverse of Melian and Thingol's [Eol's kinsman it is said] meeting [also in Nan Elmoth]. MElian brought with her grace and did much to uplift the Sindar.

Aredhel however through pride and the subtle but pervasive effects of The Curse, helps bring ruin to Gondolin.

With Maeglin, he is captivated by the first woman he ses, the fact that it is his first cousin never gets sorted out by him. Doubtles Idril would have sought to comfort her recently and tragically orphaned/marooned'foster brother' and this feminine warmth and compassion, certainly the only he had known other than his mother, would have cemented his love for her. Indeed it probably was a sort of love at first, that began souring quickly when he did not properly channel it to the sort of affection and agape healthy for those destined never to wed.

In the Laws and Customs of the Eldar [HoM-E X] we read that for one of the eldar not to have a strong control over sexual/ marital impulses was essentially unheard of, and that Maeglin was thus a serious social deviant, by Eldarin standards.

[ November 12, 2003: Message edited by: lindil ]

11-12-2003, 07:04 PM	#15
lindil Seeker of the Straight Path Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: a hidden fastness in Big Valley nor cal Posts: 1,680	Phantom, you are quite correct in underscoring Maeglin's 'greatness' was specifically tied to Gondolin. How could it be great outside of it? THe only he thing he ever did outside of Gondolin [before betraying it] was travel there with his mother and go to the Nirnaeth Arnoediad [with 10,ooo other Gondolindrim]. His 'fame' was a purely local one. As for him being a prince of the Noldor this is due to being a grandson of Finwe. Prince is often used loosely to describe heirs and even royal cousins. THe son of a Duke forinstance is often styled a prince [at least in some quarters]. Once Tuor married Idril he to may have been reffered to as Prince, though we see no direct evidence of it. Indirectly the fact that Their son Earendil is given the rule of the refugees at the moth of the Sirion is however, indicitave of it. Re: Maeglin's fall Imo he inherited his father Eol's [the quintesssential 'dark' elf] inability to nobly court a woman. With Eol he grabs the first bright ray of femininity that strays into his woods [it would seem]. Even a moments reflection on his part would have yeilded the obvious fact that she was a Noldorin Princess and he HATED the Noldor. We also see an inverse of Melian and Thingol's [Eol's kinsman it is said] meeting [also in Nan Elmoth]. MElian brought with her grace and did much to uplift the Sindar. Aredhel however through pride and the subtle but pervasive effects of The Curse, helps bring ruin to Gondolin. With Maeglin, he is captivated by the first woman he ses, the fact that it is his first cousin never gets sorted out by him. Doubtles Idril would have sought to comfort her recently and tragically orphaned/marooned'foster brother' and this feminine warmth and compassion, certainly the only he had known other than his mother, would have cemented his love for her. Indeed it probably was a sort of love at first, that began souring quickly when he did not properly channel it to the sort of affection and agape healthy for those destined never to wed. In the Laws and Customs of the Eldar [HoM-E X] we read that for one of the eldar not to have a strong control over sexual/ marital impulses was essentially unheard of, and that Maeglin was thus a serious social deviant, by Eldarin standards. [ November 12, 2003: Message edited by: lindil ] __________________ The dwindling Men of the West would often sit up late into the night exchanging lore & wisdom such as they still possessed that they should not fall back into the mean estate of those who never knew or indeed rebelled against the Light.